ATTN: Americans (national health care)

N&P: Discussion of news headlines and politics.

Moderator: frigidmagi

The Duchess of Zeon
Initiate
Posts: 386
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:28 pm
19

#76

Post by The Duchess of Zeon »

Comrade Tortoise wrote:Where are you getting your information Marina?
There's been a very extensive degree of discussion on this back at SD.net that I'm drawing from. Suffice to say that the majority of reputable sources agree on a 2011 - 2012 peak, and we'll probably have ten years, maybe rather longer, of a "plateau" before a fairly rapid fall-off (because the plateau will be artificially sustained through methods which extremely rapidly deplete the oil fields like water injection). About 40% of economic activity--agricultural and transportation--relies on oil for energy, and though we'll have excess energy (only 30% of our total energy consumption comes from oil) when we lose that, we'll have to transfer that capacity to providing oil alternatives, while all remaining oil and substitutes are used for basic emergency operation of things like trains and barge traffic until we can electrify the tracks, build nuclear-powered vessels and fuel-cell operated brown water tugs, etc.

As a result of this the service sector of the economy will entirely collapse, but that will free up resources to keep the population fed and industry working, even expanding in some places to meet the demand for offsets. A large number of mass transport projects and projects to increase electrical production will have to be completed in no small part with hand labour of all the people laid off from the virtually collapsed service industry, and the rest of them (along with plenty of Mexicans) will end as manual farm workers.

Recovery procedures will take about 20 years of hardship to fully implement, but many of them will involve things like relying on highly polluting coal, which means we will see more severe global warming and have to suffer even more to counteract that as well, by eliminating essentially all pollutants with continued expansion of nuclear, geothermal, and hydro power sources (and what renewables as prove genuinely useful). In addition to that, we'll have to do things like convert the old oil pipeline network for transportation of water for irrigation from very large desalination plants built on the coast, and alter our whole farming pattens (with the virtual elimination of meat from the diet, returning to a medieval pattern of meat consumption) to deal with loss of arable land and to allow the soil to rest so we don't lose even more from soil depletion, and also such things as the construction of truly massive dykes and flood containment works to deal with rising seawater and more intense storm activity.

In total the whole process will take at least 40 years, and if global warming proves worse, or the reaction to peak oil slower, it could be fifty; if both is the case, easily sixty years before we return to standards of living even approaching those we previously had and a pattern of upward growth. It will easily be another twenty years after that before we have any kind of large-scale electric car ownership, which will be a shallow imitation of our existing usage patterns and more resemble those of a European country, which most travel taking place by rail, and short-distance travel by the extensive mass transit systems which will be built up over the duration of the crisis and recovery.
Last edited by The Duchess of Zeon on Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:23 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
Cpl Kendall
Disciple
Posts: 856
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:16 pm
19
Location: Ontario, Canada

#77

Post by Cpl Kendall »

How about posting some of those sources for the benefit of us who don't go there? Thank you.
Last edited by Cpl Kendall on Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The Duchess of Zeon
Initiate
Posts: 386
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:28 pm
19

#78

Post by The Duchess of Zeon »

Cpl Kendall wrote:How about posting some of those sources for the benefit of us who don't go there? Thank you.
I'll go around and compile a selection, but it'll take me a day or so because they're scattered across three months and dozens of threads.
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman
Sick, Twisted Fuck
Posts: 1949
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:37 pm
19
Location: MENTAL HOSPITAL
Contact:

#79

Post by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman »

Ace Pace wrote:
Comrade Tortoise wrote:
How did you know? Shocked
Because I talk to him almost every day, and have for the past... oh... 3 years or so
I think he missed that half this forum knows each other personally it seems. :wink:
No, I already knew that. The reason I (playfully) asked is because Ben's post eeriely reminds me of this:
Comrade Tortoise wrote:He whispered a few more words, and an image of himself shimmered into being behind Iceheart

"Salutations Kreshna. This, is an illusion and can do you no harm, even if I wished it".
Alvarius knew. :shock: Yes, I knew Ben should have known OOC, but how did Alvarius know IC? And the way the Archmage emphasized the fact that he knew the assassin's true identity should have freaked him out --after all, the secret identity is the key of his survival.

Ah, just ignore me; I've just been really nostalgic over Maelstorm STGOD.
Last edited by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman on Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The Sick, Twisted Fuck | Sap #2 of the Bitter Trio | Knight of the e-mail | Evil Liberal Conspirator | Esoteric Order of Dagon | Weird TGODer

Share your free D&D character here.

:welcome :arrow: :sheepfucker: :thumbsup

So be it. If saying "NO" means being alone, then to hell with love, with romance, with marriage, and all the shit life keeps pumping at me. I'll walk alone, but with freedom and a healed pride.

NEVER buy a LiteOn CD/DVD Writer. Ever.
User avatar
Comrade Tortoise
Exemplar
Posts: 4832
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:33 am
19
Location: Land of steers and queers indeed
Contact:

#80

Post by Comrade Tortoise »

Well, lets be fair... an archmage can scry on anyone they like, and consult with extra-planar entities
"Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution."
- Theodosius Dobzhansky

There is no word harsh enough for this. No verbal edge sharp and cold enough to set forth the flaying needed. English is to young and the elder languages of the earth beyond me. ~Frigid

The Holocaust was an Amazing Logistical Achievement~Havoc
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman
Sick, Twisted Fuck
Posts: 1949
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:37 pm
19
Location: MENTAL HOSPITAL
Contact:

#81

Post by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman »

Comrade Tortoise wrote:Well, lets be fair... an archmage can scry on anyone they like, and consult with extra-planar entities
Yes, but you (or your projected illusion, to be more exact) still had to sneak up behind Iceheart to tell him that you knew his real identity --the calculating, methodical assassin hates surprises! :razz:

(alright, alright. This is my latest OT post. Let's discuss about Maelstorm somwhere else afterwards.)
The Sick, Twisted Fuck | Sap #2 of the Bitter Trio | Knight of the e-mail | Evil Liberal Conspirator | Esoteric Order of Dagon | Weird TGODer

Share your free D&D character here.

:welcome :arrow: :sheepfucker: :thumbsup

So be it. If saying "NO" means being alone, then to hell with love, with romance, with marriage, and all the shit life keeps pumping at me. I'll walk alone, but with freedom and a healed pride.

NEVER buy a LiteOn CD/DVD Writer. Ever.
Post Reply