#1 Turkey Protests
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:37 pm
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It did not go as planned.
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It really did not go as planned.
It still isn't going as planned
I'm a member on another board with some Turkish members. They've had this to say.
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Lastly just to show irony remains alive (despite my best efforts).
Syria rebukes Erdogan over Turkish protest violence
This started yesterday. A small protest was taking place in a park that the government had decided to tear down to clear the way for a mini-mall. The police decided to clamp down on this.After battling for nearly two days with tear gas, water cannons and pepper spray, Turkish police retreated from Istanbul's central Taksim Square on Saturday afternoon, allowing tens of thousands of demonstrators to pour into the space.
A peaceful sit-in on Friday against government plans to demolish a park was met with a police crackdown, igniting the biggest anti-government riots this city has seen in a decade.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan demanded an end to the violent protests, which have also spread to the capital city of Ankara and the port city of Izmir.
Caught up in the Istanbul riots See massive crowd gather in Istanbul Panic as police fire tear gas at protest
"The police where there yesterday, they are there today, and they will be there tomorrow. Taksim Square cannot be allowed to be a place where marginal groups can freely roam," he said in a televised speech.
The clashes in Istanbul subsided Saturday afternoon, when police allowed protesters to flow into the square. The protesters pelted police vehicles with stones as they withdrew from the area.
At least 79 people, including 26 members of the Turkish security forces, were injured in the clashes across the country, Interior Minister Muammer Guler told Turkey's semi-official Anadolu news agency on Saturday.
Among the injured were 14 in Istanbul, including one who suffered brain trauma, the Istanbul governor's office said.
Turkish authorities have detained 939 people in connection with the protests, Guler told Anadolu.
In the Ankara, police fired rubber bullets and tear gas at protesters, with some chanting "Tayyip resign," as they marched on the neighborhood of Kizilay, demonstrators told CNN.
"Police are everywhere, and helicopters are monitoring our movements," one protester said.
"Whenever police see us march, they come and gas us. ...We were gassed, we disbursed and then gathered again."
Erdogan conceded in his speech on Saturday that Turkish security forces had made excessive use of tear gas against demonstrators.
"There have been errors in the actions of the security forces, especially with regard to use of pepper gas. Right now that is being investigated, researched," he said.
"There is an error there, sure. When it is used excessively we are against it as well. And in fact there was such excess."
Earlier Saturday crowds gathered across central Istanbul and chanted "government resign" and "shoulder to shoulder against fascism" as phalanxes of helmeted riot police responded with volleys of tear gas canisters.
Lost amid the explosion of anti-government anger in the streets of Istanbul and elsewhere was the original source of the protests.
Earlier this week, several dozen activists tried to stage a sit-in in Gezi Park, the last bit of green space left in Taksim Square.
The demonstrators were protesting government plans to level the park and replace it with a reconstruction of a replica Ottoman-era military barracks and a shopping mall.
The protests have since devolved into a demonstration against Erdogan, the most powerful, popular and polarizing leader Turkey has seen in generations.
This major transport hub and commercial district has become the main battleground between angry protesters who hurled stones and bottles at riot police.
In some Istanbul neighborhoods, residents banged pots and pans in protest on the street during the prime minister's speech.
Erdogan's chief adviser, Ibrahim Kalin, said police have been ordered to be judicious in how they confront the demonstrators.
Addressing the original complaint, Kalin said that Istanbul's mayor said he is considering a number of projects at the park, and not necessarily a shopping mall. But the scope of the protests show there is a bigger issue about freedom of speech versus accusations of authoritative government.
"People are entitled to disagreement with the government, they can exercise their democratic rights, but they can do so within the context of a democratic society," Kalin said.
International human rights groups Amnesty International and Greenpeace have denounced what they describe as excessive use of police force against peaceful protesters.
Turkey has enjoyed an unprecedented decade of economic growth, since Erdogan's Justice and Development Party first swept to power after winning elections in 2002 on a campaign to institute pro-democratic reforms.
In recent years, the Turkish government has come under fire from media watchdog groups for its prolonged detention of more journalists than any other country in the world. Turkish security forces have also made such frequent use of tear gas against opposition protesters that some critics have started referring to the prime minister as "Chemical Tayyip."
But the protests this week appear to be "much more than the government and authorities expected," Erdogan Yildirim, a sociology professor at Middle East Technical University in Ankara, told CNN.
He said it unclear whether the protest movement will sustain its momentum, but it has caught the government's attention.
"The reason for massive protest in Turkey is in fact trivial. (A construction in a park.) But this shows the cumulative reaction to Erdogan," wrote Mustafa Akyol, a Turkish newspaper columnist and outspoken champion of "liberal Islam."
"Erdogan needs to see that the country needs more 'participatory democracy.' People want to influence decisions in public matters ... it is ultimately none other than Erdogan who cultivated this anger and who needs to calm it down.
"Erdogan probably did not know thousands of people who voted for him were among those raising their voices as well," columnist Sule Kulu wrote Saturday in the English-language newspaper Today's Zaman.
"If he does not return to his pro-democracy stance, this would prepare his fall in Turkish politics. İstanbul, his place of birth in politics, can bring him his political death."
It did not go as planned.
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It really did not go as planned.
It still isn't going as planned
I'm a member on another board with some Turkish members. They've had this to say.
Anyway I just took a walk tough city and apparently police has withdrawn from the streets. Only in one place did police contended the protestors and AKP office is set the light because of that. Really If police didn't intervene it probably wouldn't happen. More to point the main street where last nights conflict happened is in the protestors hands and guess what? Nobody is hurt nothing is destroyed there is big celebratory fires in the middle of street and people is drinking* around them singing etc. whole scene wouldn't be out of place in a american teen movie if it was on the beach.
*Yes drinking take that Erdoğan you and your stupid alcohol restrictions
Izmir is bad. I have a few friends who will be coming in later directly from the scene, they have the latest news. People are lighting bonfires and closing roads. Police sirens and sound of launchers firing tear gas are audible from my home. The city center is burning. It is a battleground. Police seems to be a bit more restrained compared to the utter morons in Istanbul, but that's not saying much. Everyone's expecting something to break, either the police to open fire on protesters with real weapons, or the army to get involved.
There are countless rumors. I can't separate fact from fiction at the moment. I'll try to inform all of you as soon as possible, when I have the news.
Additional information that may or may not be revelant:Istanbul is literally filled with cops now. They are moving on protesters everywhere except Taksim. Besiktas is a war zone and police is besieging a university that acts as an emergency hospital for wounded people. Everything was happening on the European side of the city until now but police has also moved 3 TOMAs ( big armored trucks with water cannons, the one in Tasoli's picture ) to Kadikoy in Anatolian side. It looks like there will be further clashes there too.
There are lots of unconfirmed claims and no way to know if they are true or not.
Mainstream media is known for their self censor so nobody trusts them anyway. People are used to official claims and numbers being wrong, so those are out too. That leaves what we call the whisper gazette, lots of unconfirmed claims moving through twitter and facebook.
There are claims that police is using CR gas because their CS gas stocks are depleted but these claims haven't been proven. I don't know if they will ever be proven as police gathers spent canisters.
Others say that there are non-uniformed police officers acting as provocateurs so the protesters turn violent, giving them the chance to discredit the whole protest. Again unconfirmed.
Another claim is that police has shot a protester in Ankara. There are pictures in a site but again no names or other way to learn the truth.
During all this, mainstream media is still covering the most important news: things like show trained dolphins and the love life of some model. So nobody knows what is truly happening, how many wounded are there or if there are any confirmed deaths.
Officially there are no deaths, unofficially there are three so far.
The media isn't doing its job and that puts a real wedge between general AKP supporters who use mainstream media and others who has made the transition to social-network based news. One half of the country doesn't see what the other sees and no one trust the other version.
Things aren't looking good now for anybody, protester or police. No matter what happens, AKP and the police have completely lost the trust of half of the country along with their legitimacy. This time, I don't think they will ever be able to get it back no matter how good a talk Erdogan gives.
I don't think he will care as long has he control %51 of the parliament.
The Atlantic, meet the new young turks
Protests
Lastly just to show irony remains alive (despite my best efforts).
Syria rebukes Erdogan over Turkish protest violence