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#1 German cannibal 'not a murderer'
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:21 pm
by frigidmagi
BBC
A self-confessed cannibal has described how he killed and partially ate a man he met via the internet in March 2001, at a retrial in Germany.
Armin Meiwes was convicted of manslaughter two years ago and was jailed for eight-and-a-half years.
Last year, an appeal court ordered a retrial after state prosecutors argued Meiwes was guilty of murder.
The 44-year-old denies the charge and says he simply carried out a willing victim's instructions.
If found guilty, Meiwes could face a life sentence.
'Killing on request'
Meiwes repeated much of his confession from his first trial during his three-hour testimony.
I didn't know whether I should pray to the devil or to God
Armin Meiwes
He admitted killing 43-year-old German-based computer specialist Bernd-Juergen Brandes at Meiwes' home in the town of Rotenburg.
Meiwes told the court how he severed Mr Brandes' penis and that they both tried to eat it without success.
He said he hoped Mr Brandes would die of blood loss or throw himself to his death from a window.
"I wanted to eat him, but I didn't want to kill him," Meiwes told the court.
Brandes steadily lost more blood and finally became unconscious - at which point Meiwes decided to pray, he said.
"I didn't know whether I should pray to the devil or to God," Meiwes said.
Believing his victim to be dead he stabbed him in the neck, he said. It was only when he saw the video of the crime that he realised Brandes had still been breathing.
Meiwes' legal team argued the defendant was "killing on request", a form of illegal euthanasia that carries a maximum five-year sentence.
Prosecutors will have to show that Meiwes was driven by a base desire of his own to kill his victim.
The case continues.
I think this is the dumbest defense I've seen in awhile "I killed him but it wasn't murder!" This is up there with I didn't inhale.
#2
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:52 pm
by Scottish Ninja
Perhaps it's Germany, but he intentionally killed someone without even a fairly good reason to do so.
What a nut.
#3
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:57 pm
by Comrade Tortoise
Why is it always white people that commit the really creepy crimes?
#4
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:45 pm
by Mayabird
Comrade Tortoise wrote:Why is it always white people that commit the really creepy crimes?
What, children in Africa being kidnapped and murdered so the local politicians can use their genitals as magic charms to get reelected isn't creepy enough for you?
#5
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:17 pm
by Scottish Ninja
...Okay, white people do not commit the creepiest crimes. Africa's got some creepy stuff going on. Like the notion that having sex with a very young person will prevent HIV.
#6
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:39 pm
by Robert Walper
Comrade Tortoise wrote:Why is it always white people that commit the really creepy crimes?
Pretty racist comment there, CT.
#7
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:02 pm
by Comrade Tortoise
Mayabird wrote:Comrade Tortoise wrote:Why is it always white people that commit the really creepy crimes?
What, children in Africa being kidnapped and murdered so the local politicians can use their genitals as magic charms to get reelected isn't creepy enough for you?
I refer to the statistics I have access to and am familiar with, in the DEVELOPED world
#8
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:07 pm
by Comrade Tortoise
Robert Walper wrote:Comrade Tortoise wrote:Why is it always white people that commit the really creepy crimes?
Pretty racist comment there, CT.
Hey Walper
A) I am caucasian. SO unless I am a self loather, I cant be racist in regard to my own race.
B) In the developed world, white people DO commit the creepy crimes. Such as molesting and subsequently devouring children. Per capita, they do this more often than black people. It is also MALES who do it, with a horrendous difference between the sex.
It is WHITE PEOPLE who have a tendency to rape their victim to death. WHITE people who eat their victim's penis. WHITE people who flay their fictims alive and hang them from the cieling. WHITE people who drug their victims, take naughty photos, rape them, kill them, rape them aain, then eat them then polish the skull and place it on a shelf above the fireplace and they do it IN THAT ORDER!
The stats dont lie on this one.
Granted,not saying black people or asians dont do it, but whites do it disporoportionatly often in the developed world
#9
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:23 pm
by SirNitram
Comrade Tortoise wrote:Hey Walper
A) I am caucasian. SO unless I am a self loather, I cant be racist in regard to my own race.
Such blatant bullshit it
burns! Racism is racism, even if it's a black guy calling blacks worthless niggers.
#10
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:42 pm
by frigidmagi
Turtle how many times have we had this same fucking conservation?
I have to point here that not only do caucasians make up a large percent of the developed world, they make up a large percent of the economicly well of part of that population of the developed world. To be blunt there isn't a big enough population of blacks in the developed world for a good compartive study (the more of you there are, the more you're likey to have expressions of aberration). Also the poor are less likey to commit such crimes, being more likey to commit crimes designed to better off their economic status.
Lastly, people like the German cannibal in the 3rd world can easily do this kind of stuff and get away with it. They just need to work for their government. Has Maya has shown. I would like to point out that such actions carried out by government agents are unlikey to be effectivly reported on in the 3rd world.
For example Japan does produce a fair share of it's own crimes of this nature (the japanese press does not report it has heavily though) up to and including a Zodic copy cat killer who kidnapped and killed a schoolgirl, leaving her severed head in a classroom for childern to find (it was instead found by the jaintor who called the police, who closed the school).
Hell in China guys like this could find work in the police departments there.
#11
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:01 pm
by Comrade Tortoise
I have to point here that not only do caucasians make up a large percent of the developed world, they make up a large percent of the economicly well of part of that population of the developed world. To be blunt there isn't a big enough population of blacks in the developed world for a good compartive study (the more of you there are, the more you're likey to have expressions of aberration). Also the poor are less likey to commit such crimes, being more likey to commit crimes designed to better off their economic status.
Economic status is completely irrelevant to the fact that white people do indeed commit more of the afformentioned "creepy" crimes in the devloped world ON A PER CAPITA BASIS than pretty much every other ethnic group combined.
SeriaL killers (as opposed to spree killers like the DC sniper) are almost invariably white and male, for example. Very rarely is a female even involved, ever. In fact, I know of only 1 female serial killer, though I could always ask someone who has the encyclopedia of serial killers to give me a few more names.
Hint: SOmething is neither racist, nor sexist, if it is verifiably true.
Lastly, people like the German cannibal in the 3rd world can easily do this kind of stuff and get away with it. They just need to work for their government. Has Maya has shown. I would like to point out that such actions carried out by government agents are unlikey to be effectivly reported on in the 3rd world.
And indeed I was not refering to the third world now was I?
Jesus christ, I make a joke about white people eating eachother and people jump down my throat.
For example Japan does produce a fair share of it's own crimes of this nature (the japanese press does not report it has heavily though) up to and including a Zodic copy cat killer who kidnapped and killed a schoolgirl, leaving her severed head in a classroom for childern to find (it was instead found by the jaintor who called the police, who closed the school).
OK, I will give you Japan (though in a nation which has tentacle porn, are you really shocked? Not to say tentacle porn causes such things... but it is indicative of a certain level of depravity)
#12
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:02 pm
by frigidmagi
Expect you weren't joking.
Expect there are more white people in any per captia group.
Expect your using only partial data.
#13
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:08 pm
by Comrade Tortoise
frigidmagi wrote:Expect you weren't joking.
Expect there are more white people in any per captia group.
Expect your using only partial data.
Do I have to explain things to you?
On a per capita basis ment that for a certain number of minorities their are X number of minority serial killers
And using the same number of white people, there are Y number of serial killers
Where Y>X
Also, the fact that I was refering to crime statistics for the developed world, should have been fairly evident, considering who I am, and what the subject matter is. If you cant grasp that, well, you dont know me particularly well.
Also, partial data is not bad if it is specified that it is partial. FOr example, the developed world. And considering that the fact that it was partial (if for no other treason than because we dont have reliable stats for the third world, that I know of) well..draw your own conclusions
#14
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:09 pm
by frigidmagi
We've had this conservation before. You know damn well how well I know you.
Do I have to explain to you AGAIN that any comparsion isn't going to work given the current number break down?
#15
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:24 pm
by Cynical Cat
Tortoise, you did not address frigid's points on social economic status, you merely dismissed them. Now if you have evidence that suggests that serial killers are equally likely to be poor as middle class or wealthy, then you can dismiss it.
#16
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:57 pm
by Lord Stormbringer
Cynical Cat wrote:Tortoise, you did not address frigid's points on social economic status, you merely dismissed them. Now if you have evidence that suggests that serial killers are equally likely to be poor as middle class or wealthy, then you can dismiss it.
Actually, FBI crime data tends to suggest that they come from middle class to wealthy but often go down on the social scale because of social interaction problems. In short, serial killer do tend to come from the better of economic branchs.