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#1 Autistic Gets Recruited.. Didn't Know There's A War.

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:25 pm
by SirNitram
I'm pissed now.
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Jared Guinther is 18. Tall and lanky, he will graduate from high school in June. Girls think he's cute, until they try to talk to him and he stammers or just stands there -- silent.

Diagnosed with autism at age 3, Jared is polite but won't talk to people unless they address him first. It's hard for him to make friends. He lives in his own private world.

Jared didn't know there was a war raging in Iraq until his parents told him last fall -- shortly after a military recruiter stopped him outside a Portland strip mall and complimented his black Converse All-Stars.

"When Jared first started talking about joining the Army, I thought, `Well, that isn't going to happen,"' said Paul Guinther, Jared's father. "I told my wife not to worry about it. They're not going to take anybody in the service who's autistic."

But they did. Last month, Jared came home with papers showing that he had not only enlisted, but signed up for the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout. He is scheduled to leave for basic training Aug. 16.

Officials are now investigating whether recruiters at the U.S. Army Recruiting Station in southeast Portland improperly concealed Jared's disability, which should have made him ineligible for service.

What happened to Jared is a growing national problem as the military faces increasing pressure to hit recruiting targets during an unpopular war.

Tracking by the Pentagon shows that complaints about recruiting improprieties are on pace to again reach record highs set in 2003 and 2004. Both the active Army and Reserve missed recruiting targets last year, and reports of recruiting abuses continue from across the country.

A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness were readily available.

In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he'd be arrested.

And in Colorado, a high school student working undercover told recruiters he'd dropped out and had a drug problem. The recruiter told the boy to fake a diploma and buy a product to help him beat a drug test.

Violations such as these forced the Army to halt recruiting for a day last May so recruiters could be retrained and reminded of the job's ethical requirements.

The Portland Army Recruiting Battalion Headquarters opened its investigation into Jared's case last week after his parents called The Oregonian and the newspaper began asking questions about his enlistment.

Maj. Curt Steinagel, commander of the Military Entrance Processing Station in Portland, said the papers filled out by Jared's recruiters contained no indication of his disability. Steinagel acknowledged that the current climate is tough on recruiters.

"I can't speak for Army," he said, "but it's no secret that recruiters stretch and bend the rules because of all the pressure they're under. The problem exists, and we all know it exists."

* * *

Jared lives in a tiny brown house in southeast Portland that looks as worn out as his parents do when they get home from work.

Paul Guinther, 57, labors 50- to 60-hour weeks as a painter-sandblaster at a tug and barge works. His wife, Brenda, 50, has the graveyard housekeeping shift at a medical center.

The couple got together nearly 16 years ago when Jared was 3. Brenda, who had two young children of her own, immediately noticed that Jared was different and pushed Paul to have the boy tested.

"Jared would play with buttons for hours on end," she said. "He'd play with one toy for days. Loud noises bothered him. He was scared to death of the toilet flushing, the lawn mower."

Jared didn't speak until he was almost 4 and could not tolerate the feel of grass on his feet.

Doctors diagnosed him with moderate to severe autism, a developmental disorder that strikes when children are toddlers. It causes problems with social interaction, language and intelligence. No one knows its cause or cure.

School and medical records show that Jared, whose recent verbal IQ tested very low, spent years in special education classes. It was only as a high school senior that Brenda pushed for Jared to take regular classes because she wanted him to get a normal rather than a modified diploma.

Jared required extensive tutoring and accommodations to pass, but in June he will graduate alongside his younger stepbrother, Matthew Thorsen.

Last fall, Jared began talking about joining the military after a recruiter stopped him on his way home from school and offered a $4,000 signing bonus, $67,000 for college and more buddies than he could count.

Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice.

Recruiters nationwide spend several hours a day cold-calling high school students, whose phone numbers are provided by schools under the No Child Left Behind Law. They also prospect at malls, high school cafeterias, colleges and wherever else young people gather.

Brenda phoned her two brothers, both veterans. She said they laughed and told her not to worry. The military would never take Jared.

The Guinthers, meanwhile, tried to refocus their son.

"I told him, `Jared, you get out of high school. I know you don't want to be a janitor all your life. You work this job, you go to community college, you find out what you want. You can live here as long as you want,"' Paul said.

They thought it had worked until five weeks ago. Brenda said she called Jared on his cell phone to check what time he'd be home.

"I said Jared, `What are you doing?' `I'm taking the test' -- he said the entrance test. I go, `Wait a minute.' I said, `Who's giving you the test?' He said, `Corporal.' I said, `Well let me talk to him."'

Brenda said she spoke to Cpl. Ronan Ansley and explained that Jared had a disability, autism, that could not be outgrown. She said Ansley told her he had been in special classes, too -- for dyslexia.

"I said, `Wait a minute, there's a big difference between autism and your problem,"' Brenda said.

Military rules prohibit enlisting anyone with a mental disorder that interferes with school or employment, unless a recruit can show he or she hasn't required special academic or job accommodations for 12 months.

Jared has been in special education classes since preschool. Through a special program for disabled workers, he has a part-time job scrubbing toilets and dumping trash.

Jared scored 43 out of 99 on the Army's basic entrance exam -- 31 is lowest grade the Army allows for enlistment, military officials said.

After learning Jared had cleared this first hurdle toward enlistment, Brenda said she called and asked for Ansley's supervisor and got Sgt. Alejandro Velasco.

She said she begged Velasco to review Jared's medical and school records. Brenda said Velasco declined, asserting that he didn't need any paperwork. Under military rules, recruiters are required to gather all available information about a recruit and fill out a medical screening form.

"He was real cocky and he says, `Well, Jared's an 18-year-old man. He doesn't need his mommy to make his decisions for him."'

* * *

The Guinthers are not political activists. They supported the Iraq war in the beginning but have started to question it as fighting drags on. Brenda Guinther said that if her son Matthew had enlisted, she "wouldn't like it, but I would learn to live with it because I know he would understand the consequences."

But Jared doesn't understand the dangers or the details of what he's done, the Guinthers said.

When they asked Jared how long he would be in the Army, he said he didn't know. His enlistment papers show it's just over four years. Jared also was disappointed to learn that he wouldn't be paid the $4,000 signing bonus until after basic training.

During a recent family gathering, a relative asked Jared what he would do if an enemy was shooting at him. Jared ran to his video game console, killed a digital Xbox soldier and announced, "See! I can do it!"

"My concern is that if he got into a combat situation he really couldn't take someone's back," said Mary Lou Perry, 51, longtime friend of the Guinthers. "He wouldn't really know a dangerous thing. This job they have him doing, it's like send him in and if he doesn't get blown up, it's safe for the rest of us."

Steinagel, the processing station commander, told The Oregonian that Jared showed up after passing his written exam. None of his paperwork indicated that he was autistic, but if it had, Jared almost certainly would have been disqualified, he said.

On Tuesday, a reporter visited the U.S. Army Recruiting Station at the Eastport Plaza Shopping Center, where Velasco said he had not been told about Jared's autism.

"Cpl. Ansley is Guinther's recruiter," he said. "I was unaware of any type of autism or anything like that."

Velasco initially denied knowing Jared, but later said he'd spent a lot of time mentoring him because Jared was going to become a cavalry scout. The job entails "engaging the enemy with anti-armor weapons and scout vehicles," according to an Army recruiting Web site.

After he'd spoken for a few moments, Velasco suddenly grabbed the reporter's tape recorder and tried to tear out the tape, stopping only after the reporter threatened to call the police.

With the Guinthers' permission, The Oregonian faxed Jared's medical records to the U.S. Army Recruiting Battalion commander Lt. Col. David Carlton in Portland, who on Wednesday ordered the investigation.

The Guinthers said that on Tuesday evening, Cpl. Ansley showed up at their door. They said Ansley stated that he would probably lose his job and face dishonorable discharge unless they could stop the newspaper's story.

Ansley, reached at his recruiting office Thursday, declined to comment for this story.

S. Douglas Smith, spokesman for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command, in Fort Knox, Ky., said he could not comment on specifics of the investigation in Portland. But he defended the 8,200 recruiters working for the active Army and Army Reserve.

Last year, the Army relieved 44 recruiters from duty and admonished 369.

"Everyone in recruiting is let down when one of our recruiters fails to uphold the Army's and Recruiting Command's standards," Smith said.

The Guinthers are eager to hear whether the Army will release Jared from his enlistment. Jared is disappointed he might not go because he thought the recruiters were his friends, they said. But they're willing to accept that.

"If he went to Iraq and got hurt or killed," Paul Guinther said, "I couldn't live with myself knowing I didn't try to stop it."
I'm fucking furious. Full-blown autistics have it pretty shitty, as this poor kid shows. He didn't even know there was a war. These recruiters boil my blood; this kid is not only going to be a terrible soldier, but they put him into the cavalry? Just for stupid recruiting quotas?

#2

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:40 pm
by Ra
They signed him up for a cav scout? Jesus Christ...

That and the recruiter's attempts to cover it up and evade... I was pissed at the Army's recruiting command before, but this article nails it. I... can't find any other words for this outrage.

#3

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:52 pm
by Narsil
Fucking bastard.

This lad wasn't within five miles of suitability for military duty. Other than that, I hope this recruiter is sodomised in the lower-depths of hell for the exact duration that the Iraq war will have had after he dies. This is essentially the same as an 'attempted indirect homicide', because that lad would likely have gotten killed in the field.

#4

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:05 pm
by Batman
Words fail me. :evil:

#5

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:16 pm
by B4UTRUST
Well, one thing that isn't being stated is up until the day you get on that bus and take your final oath of enlistment you don't belong to the military, you are still a free man. All he has to do is go to the recruiting office and tell them to go fuck themselves and walk.

Secondly, if he's uncomfortable with loud noises as the story says, he won't get very far in boot camp. Gun ranges, D.I. yelling at you all the time, beds being thrown about, lockers being beat on, etc. He'll go nuts, have a psychotic episode and get washed out to a medical flight to await his dismissal.

Another thing bothers me here; the Cpl. He said he'd get thrown out based upon this. Usually, as far as I'm aware, that isn't a dischargable offense. Now granted Army regs covering the UCMJ could be stricter and probably are but again, this is just what I know. And it honestly, to me, sounds like a pity trip from the Cpl to try to stave off the embarassment to his supervisor and unit. I would almost bet money that he had been put up to it with a msg like "I fucked up, you fix it."

The recruiter didn't know the boy was autistic...bullshit. Do you know how many people have to review those fucking records before you even process at a MEPS center?

Yeah, the recruiters fucked up and tried to get their quota and got caught. It, unfortunatly, happens. The shit that recruiters have to go through to get their numbers and god help them if they don't is unpleasent to say the least.

Now, don't get me wrong, this doesn't excuse the situation or make allowances for it. The recruiters fucked up plain and simple. They fucked up all the way around and the kid should never have been tested with the ASVAB much less offered a contract.

But the situation, as it stands from this story, isn't giving all the facts and is blowing the situation out of proportion. There are still multiple options in this case for the guy to get out of his contract. There are options for a lot of things which this story convienantly isn't mentioning.

First off, it says that the recruiter signed him up for the calvary scout MOS. Don't know exact MOS designator off hand, but regardless... Now this is somehow misleading. Recruiters don't give jobs. MEPs does. I think the one exception to this is the marines however who are able to issue jobs. So this makes me curious... How did no one aside from this corporal notice the boy was autistic? You go through so much shit and hassle at a MEPS center that it's unreal! And I don't recall being exactly addressed by name so he wouldn't be responding to people. It was all based on your social, sometimes your last name, but most often it was the cow herd method. "First row, stand up, come with me, second row move forward."

Secondly, how do you get an autistic boy to fill out all these bits of paperwork and forms? Most of that shit the recruiter can't fill out for you. Not that they physically can't, but regs prevent them from doing it based on the potential for fradulent enlistment or a "misunderstanding or words" from the enlistee's mouth to the recruiter's ear. After all, it would be a shame if the recruiter accidently heard 0 times ever used drugs instead of hundreds of times ever used drugs...

#6

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:00 pm
by frigidmagi
I'm pissed to. Martin I told you this kid wouldn't even get through bootcamp if he even got there. Before anyone suggest that a Drill would look the other way, yank your head out of your ass, Drills don't have to graduate anyone, in fact their job is to send back people. Drills consider it a good day if they can weed out over 5% of a recruit platoon.

As anyone remembered that you have to pass 2 medical exams before you can get into the military? That's right, you need to prove you're fit enough to get in, not the other way around. This recuriter was a piece of shit, but this boy is in no danger of ending up in Iraq.

And...

http://www.army.mil/recruitingandretention


The link is undressed for a reason, leave it alone.

I've checked repeatly with friends still in. I've gone to various sites that actually show the numbers. WE... ARE... NOT...HURTING... FOR NUMBERS.

Highlights

• The active-duty Army closed the fiscal year at 108 percent of its retention mission. The goal was to re-enlist 64,162 Soldiers and 69,512 Soldiers actually reenlisted.
For those of you wondering, reenlisting is when you sign a contract for anther term of service. Nothing else counts.
• The active-duty Army gained 8,710 new Soldiers into its ranks in September, exceeding that month’s goal of 8,365 by 345. Fiscal year 2005 active-duty Army recruitment goals stood at 92 percent complete, with 73,373 new Soldiers joining the force. The mission goal was to recruit 80,000.
This is better than the Army did in 1999 when they could only get 68,000.

PBS

What has happened here is a fucking numbnuts recrutier decided he get a boy to sign a contract, since that's all you have to do for him to reach his quota. You don't have to go to bootcamp, you don't have to actually get into the service, hell you don't even have to go to MEPS, you just gotta sign. If you come in the next day and say "fuck it I quit" It still counts for him.

Should the recrutier be punished? Yeah. Am I smelling something from this report? You betcha.

#7

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:06 pm
by Batman
Frigid, B4, thank you very much for the inside angle.