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#1 Democrats call for strike on N Korean Missle

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:42 pm
by frigidmagi
Washington Post
North Korea Cannot Be Allowed to Test This Missile

By Ashton B. Carter and William J. Perry
Thursday, June 22, 2006; Page A29

North Korean technicians are reportedly in the final stages of fueling a long-range ballistic missile that some experts estimate can deliver a deadly payload to the United States. The last time North Korea tested such a missile, in 1998, it sent a shock wave around the world, but especially to the United States and Japan, both of which North Korea regards as archenemies. They recognized immediately that a missile of this type makes no sense as a weapon unless it is intended for delivery of a nuclear warhead.

A year later North Korea agreed to a moratorium on further launches, which it upheld -- until now. But there is a critical difference between now and 1998. Today North Korea openly boasts of its nuclear deterrent, has obtained six to eight bombs' worth of plutonium since 2003 and is plunging ahead to make more in its Yongbyon reactor. The six-party talks aimed at containing North Korea's weapons of mass destruction have collapsed.

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Should the United States allow a country openly hostile to it and armed with nuclear weapons to perfect an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of delivering nuclear weapons to U.S. soil? We believe not. The Bush administration has unwisely ballyhooed the doctrine of "preemption," which all previous presidents have sustained as an option rather than a dogma. It has applied the doctrine to Iraq, where the intelligence pointed to a threat from weapons of mass destruction that was much smaller than the risk North Korea poses. (The actual threat from Saddam Hussein was, we now know, even smaller than believed at the time of the invasion.) But intervening before mortal threats to U.S. security can develop is surely a prudent policy.

Therefore, if North Korea persists in its launch preparations, the United States should immediately make clear its intention to strike and destroy the North Korean Taepodong missile before it can be launched. This could be accomplished, for example, by a cruise missile launched from a submarine carrying a high-explosive warhead. The blast would be similar to the one that killed terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq. But the effect on the Taepodong would be devastating. The multi-story, thin-skinned missile filled with high-energy fuel is itself explosive -- the U.S. airstrike would puncture the missile and probably cause it to explode. The carefully engineered test bed for North Korea's nascent nuclear missile force would be destroyed, and its attempt to retrogress to Cold War threats thwarted. There would be no damage to North Korea outside the immediate vicinity of the missile gantry.

The U.S. military has announced that it has placed some of the new missile defense interceptors deployed in Alaska and California on alert. In theory, the antiballistic missile system might succeed in smashing into the Taepodong payload as it hurtled through space after the missile booster burned out. But waiting until North Korea's ICBM is launched to interdict it is risky. First, by the time the payload was intercepted, North Korean engineers would already have obtained much of the precious flight test data they are seeking, which they could use to make a whole arsenal of missiles, hiding and protecting them from more U.S. strikes in the maze of tunnels they have dug throughout their mountainous country. Second, the U.S. defensive interceptor could reach the target only if it was flying on a test trajectory that took it into the range of the U.S. defense. Third, the U.S. system is unproven against North Korean missiles and has had an uneven record in its flight tests. A failed attempt at interception could undermine whatever deterrent value our missile defense may have.

We should not conceal our determination to strike the Taepodong if North Korea refuses to drain the fuel out and take it back to the warehouse. When they learn of it, our South Korean allies will surely not support this ultimatum -- indeed they will vigorously oppose it. The United States should accordingly make clear to the North that the South will play no role in the attack, which can be carried out entirely with U.S. forces and without use of South Korean territory. South Korea has worked hard to counter North Korea's 50-year menacing of its own country, through both military defense and negotiations, and the United States has stood with the South throughout. South Koreans should understand that U.S. territory is now also being threatened, and we must respond. Japan is likely to welcome the action but will also not lend open support or assistance. China and Russia will be shocked that North Korea's recklessness and the failure of the six-party talks have brought things to such a pass, but they will not defend North Korea.

In addition to warning our allies and partners of our determination to take out the Taepodong before it can be launched, we should warn the North Koreans. There is nothing they could do with such warning to defend the bulky, vulnerable missile on its launch pad, but they could evacuate personnel who might otherwise be harmed. The United States should emphasize that the strike, if mounted, would not be an attack on the entire country, or even its military, but only on the missile that North Korea pledged not to launch -- one designed to carry nuclear weapons. We should sharply warn North Korea against further escalation.

North Korea could respond to U.S. resolve by taking the drastic step of threatening all-out war on the Korean Peninsula. But it is unlikely to act on that threat. Why attack South Korea, which has been working to improve North-South relations (sometimes at odds with the United States) and which was openly opposing the U.S. action? An invasion of South Korea would bring about the certain end of Kim Jong Il's regime within a few bloody weeks of war, as surely he knows. Though war is unlikely, it would be prudent for the United States to enhance deterrence by introducing U.S. air and naval forces into the region at the same time it made its threat to strike the Taepodong. If North Korea opted for such a suicidal course, these extra forces would make its defeat swifter and less costly in lives -- American, South Korean and North Korean.

This is a hard measure for President Bush to take. It undoubtedly carries risk. But the risk of continuing inaction in the face of North Korea's race to threaten this country would be greater. Creative diplomacy might have avoided the need to choose between these two unattractive alternatives. Indeed, in earlier years the two of us were directly involved in negotiations with North Korea, coupled with military planning, to prevent just such an outcome. We believe diplomacy might have precluded the current situation. But diplomacy has failed, and we cannot sit by and let this deadly threat mature. A successful Taepodong launch, unopposed by the United States, its intended victim, would only embolden North Korea even further. The result would be more nuclear warheads atop more and more missiles.

Ashton B. Carter was assistant secretary of defense under President Bill Clinton and William J. Perry was secretary of defense. The writers, who conducted the North Korea policy review while in government, are now professors at Harvard and Stanford, respectively.
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MINNEAPOLIS - Former Vice President Walter Mondale said Friday he supports a pre-emptive U.S. strike against a North Korean missile, saying the U.S. should tell
North Korea to dismantle the missile or "we are going to take it out."
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"I think it would end the nuclear long-range dreams of this dangerous country," said Mondale, who was the 1984 Democratic presidential nominee and a former U.S. ambassador to Japan.

The tensions are over North Korea's apparent preparations to test-fire a Taepodong-2 missile, which is believed to have a range of up to 9,300 miles. That would make it capable of hitting much of the U.S. mainland.

Mondale, 78, said North Korea already has nuclear weapons and its ambition to develop a long-range missile is "one of the most dangerous developments in recent history." It's so dangerous, he said, because of the nation's isolation from the international community and its unpredictable leader, Kim Jong Il.

"Here's this bizarre, hermit kingdom over there with a paranoid leader getting ready to test a missile system that can hit us," Mondale said.

Former
President Clinton's defense secretary, William Perry, also advocated a pre-emptive strike in The Washington Post, but National Security Adviser
Stephen Hadley brushed aside Perry's suggestion. Mondale spoke about a pre-emptive strike during an appearance on WCCO-AM in Minneapolis.

Mondale and President Jimmy Carter took office in 1976 and were defeated by Republican
Ronald Reagan in 1980. Mondale lost as the Democratic presidential nominee in 1984. He was appointed ambassador to Japan in 1993 and is now practicing law in Minneapolis.
Am I the only asking why Watler Mondale is back on the news over this?

#2

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:53 am
by Dark Silver
My only question is, why are we not attempting to stop them before they launch?

North Korea is openly hostile to 95% of the world goverments out there, considers us and Japan it's largest and most hated enemies, and yet, we're letting them produce a ICBM when we KNOW they have nuclear capabilities.

I'm with the Democrats here, surgical missle strike onto thier missle production and firing centers. Eliminate the threat, and send a message Kim that we won't let him have the ability to make war on us.

This isn't about self defense on North Korea's part, it's about a mentally unstable Dictator having a weapon of mass destruction.


Then again, they could point to GWB and say the same thing.......

#3

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:49 am
by SirNitram
Mostly because any attack on North Korea is going to elicit a response from the massed artillery on the border. This will reduce Seoul to basically a chemical-ridden crater. The resultant hit to the world economy will fuck everyone but North Korea, because they have no economy worth speaking of.

#4

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:09 pm
by frigidmagi
There's also the fact that in the last 50 years since round 1 the norks have been busy making sure the majority of their nation is underground and that they have riflemen everywhere. This wouldn't be a bombing campaign with a walk over, it would be a WWII sytle slug match.

Given how much people screech over Iraq's causalities (I'm sorry but the truth is that the causalities for the Iraqi campaign are low. Very low.) I doubt the American public would be willing to accept the causalities for invading N Korea to take away the nukes. In case you're wondering, we would get a higher causality count in N Korea than we have total for Iraq on the first day. Much higher.

Honestly? Yes, we could win a ground war in N Korea. US troops are better trained, better equipped, better led and better moviated than their counterparts which is all that counts in this kind of warfare. However I doubt in the ability of our political lords and masters to take the cost of victory and I doubt in their ability to convince the American people that it's necessary.

#5

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:05 pm
by Batman
That the US will curbstomp NK is a given. The problem is that by the time you people get to do so Seoul, and a lot of SK near the border, are going to be history. As Nitram said while a western win is inevitable the price the world economy would have to pay is not worth going to war over a single missile that, assuming for the moment it actually works as advertised, is never ever going to be fired.

#6

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:44 pm
by frigidmagi
BBC
The US is considering deploying Patriot interceptor missiles at its bases in Japan, amid fears North Korea is about to test-launch a long-range missile.

The deployment would mark the first time the US has deployed surface-to-air missiles in Japan.

As part of ongoing diplomatic efforts to avert the North's test launch, South Korea's Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon was due to visit China on Monday.

He said he would ask Beijing to play a constructive role to resolve the issue.

China is one of North Korea's few remaining allies, and still has some influence in Pyongyang.

International pressure

According to US intelligence reports, North Korea may be preparing to launch a Taepodong-2 missile, which has a range of up to 6,000km (3,730 miles), putting parts of the US within striking distance.

Some analysts think the North sees a threatened launch as a way to strengthen its diplomatic hand.

The US and North Korea's neighbours have already issued several warnings to Pyongyang not to go ahead with the launch.

Concerns about the potential launch have brought regional defence systems into the spotlight.

Japan has agreed to US plans to place Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missiles on some of its bases in Japan for the first time, a Defence Agency official said on Monday.

These PAC-3 missiles are designed to intercept ballistic or missiles, as well as aircraft.

The missiles would be deployed on the southern island of Okinawa, according to a report in Japan's largest newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun.

An additional 500-600 troops would also be deployed, the newspaper said.
Looks like the counter moves have begun.