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Muslim religious leaders have accused Pope Benedict XVI of quoting anti-Islamic remarks during a speech at a German university this week.
Questioning the concept of holy war, he quoted a 14th-Century Christian emperor who said Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things.

A senior Pakistani Islamic scholar, Javed Ahmed Gamdi, said jihad was not about spreading Islam with the sword.

Turkey's top religious official asked for an apology for the "hostile" words.

In Indian-administered Kashmir, police seized copies of newspapers which reported the Pope's comments to prevent any tension.

A Vatican spokesman, Father Frederico Lombardi, said he did not believe the Pope's comments were meant as a harsh criticism of Islam.

'Abhorrent'

In his speech at Regensburg University, the German-born pontiff explored the historical and philosophical differences between Islam and Christianity and the relationship between violence and faith.

Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manual II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.

The emperors words were, he said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Benedict said "I quote" twice to stress the words were not his and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

The Pope is due to visit Turkey in November and the Turkish response was swift and strong, the BBC's Sarah Rainsford reports from Istanbul.

Religious leader Ali Bardakoglu said the Pope's comments represented what he called an "abhorrent, hostile and prejudiced point of view".

Whilst Muslims might express their criticism of Islam and of Christianity, he argued, they would never defame the Holy Bible or Jesus Christ.

He said he hoped the Pope's speech did not reflect "hatred in his heart" against Islam.

Many Turks see Benedict as a Turkophobe and commentators call his words just before the holy month of Ramadan "ill-timed and ill-conceived", our correspondent adds.
I got to admit being a bit torn over this one. On the one hand, Christianity doesn't excaltly have completely clean hands, but no group does. A quick look at history shows that when any group gains enough power and there is no check or balence... They go after minority groups and abuse them. I'm not trying to make excuses but I am pointing at what I feel is a negative part of human nature that no idealogy has yet conqeared. It may not have been the nicest thing for the Pope to qoute a 12th century Byzantium Emperor.

On the flip side seeing has the first thing Islam did to Byzantium was conqear as much of it's territories as possible, so I at least can understand the bias that that Emperor and others would feel, think about it, Turkey which comdemned the Pope's speech is built upon ground conqeared and taken from Christian Greeks.

There also the fact that frankly, I'm not feeling much sympty towards Islam these days. The Cartoon riots and other behaviors have drained it right out of me. Not to mention I got another look at what the Arabs say about the Jews and other religions and... Look the hate just drips from the words people. But.... Yeah there's a but...

I know we got some folks who are dead set in the belief that Religion/Christianity=Evil, I'm asking you not to make this into a bash thread. Let's try to discuss like adults okay?
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I mean this is the most serious way, but what doesn't stir Muslim anger? I daresay that Muslim-majority areas need a regular dusting of ground-up chill pills to stop taking themselves so fanatically seriously. Since they seem to aim at sucking everything fun and enjoyable out of life (from music to kites to cats and dogs) they need to be forced to calm down and take a deep breath.
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Mayabird wrote:I mean this is the most serious way, but what doesn't stir Muslim anger? I daresay that Muslim-majority areas need a regular dusting of ground-up chill pills to stop taking themselves so fanatically seriously. Since they seem to aim at sucking everything fun and enjoyable out of life (from music to kites to cats and dogs) they need to be forced to calm down and take a deep breath.
It's not just the anger, it's how it's used by the local powers that be to keep their populations stirred up and properly offended. We all know this gag...

Freedom fries, anyone?

That said, Benedict should've known just what sort of shitstorm he was going to stir up with this, regardless of putting the 'I quote' qualification on it. He's given various imams and other exploitative shitheads a great talking point, especially because it relates to the friggin' Crusades.
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I feel I should point out many of them don't require much to tie anything into the Crusades, Israel is tied into the Crusades by some of them, the Iraq War is tied into the Crusades, American opposition to Iranian uranium enrichment is tied into the Crusades, the bloody Danish cartoons are tied into the Crusades.

It is as if in their mind the Crusades never ended.
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Remember those people haven't realized the Middle Ages are long over. A point could be made that for them, the Crusades weren't all that long ago...
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The MidEast leaders are pumping this for all it's worth. In more than one nation, it's all that keeps the mob from hitting the windmill, as the Discworldian saying goes. Of course, the Pope just had to give them more gasoline for the fire...
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