Hungary thread split

[Mayabird]

Looks like there's no violence, all the branches of the military are involved, they don't want power and just want the PM to step down and to hold new elections, and they have the support of the king. A bloodless coup without smotherings.

So Mexico is still screwed more. For that matter, so is Hungary but I don't see a reason to post a separate article about it unless there's some interest in it.

[frigidmagi]

The Speech that started it all in Hungray

The rioters seem very displinced and organized to me, the news article says a group of them "escorted" the police crewing a water hose truck that they disabled. That takes some teamwork. I wonder who if anyone is behind them and pushing like this?

[Stofsk]

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All I can say is that if the Hungarian PM lied and the electorate won't stand for it, good for them. That shows a level of interest in government that puts my apathetic society to shame.

[frigidmagi]

I have nothing against the rioters in fact I think it's good they're committed to personally ensuring that some form of standards are imposed.

But as to the apathetic soceity...

Hungary is relativity new to the idea of democracy and rule of law... Maybe new is the wrong word but they didn't have that under USSR puppethood.

In Australia, Great Britian, Canada, the United States, the courts 9 times out of 10 work. How much tom foolery has been recently blocked by US courts for example? When there is a problem we count or believe we can count on the courts and on the law to fix it. Look at Tom Delay within the US or Jefferson, eventfully the law caught up to them.

Hungarians may not have that confienice that the system will punish wrong doers, so they may feel the need to do it themselves. Which is both posititive and negative in result.

I wouldn't worry to much, it seems that confidence in the system is eroding across the board in the US and other nations, you may yet see rioters determine to punish a scum sucking politico in your home nation... Or not, time will tell.

[Stofsk]

That's true, although Hungary has always had an eye on the Great Democracies (Britain, America) as a model to emulate, and never wanted to exist under the USSR (in WW2 Hungary allied with Germany because the USSR was baring down their necks; ideally, Hungary would have much preferred to ally with GB and USA but Miklos Horthy was a fucking simpering dickless bastard).

It should be noted that Hungary was the first Soviet Republic to break away and run to the west when the USSR began it's collapse. It's a young democratic nation, but I have hopes it will be a lasting one.

[frigidmagi]

I think the odds are good for Hungary. On a historic note, Poland allied with GB and the western allies and was still sold off to the USSR.