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#1 Tenn. Congressmen thinks Australia is a threat.

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:00 pm
by frigidmagi
TheAustralian
HAROLD Ford, a handsome 36-year-old from Tennessee, has become one of the sensations of the mid-term elections in the US and a reason why Democrats are a good chance of winning back control of the US Congress for the first time in 12 years.

But if Mr Ford, already a US congressman, wins his bid to become a more powerful senator, Australia had better watch out. Because according to Mr Ford, Australia has an interest in nuclear weapons and is part of the broader nuclear threat to the US.

In a speech to county government officials yesterday in Knoxville, Mr Ford - listed in People magazine in 2001 as one of the 50 most beautiful people in the world - electrified the audience, as he does everywhere he speaks.

He's charismatic and seamlessly weaves a national political story into his own. He speaks about how he will clean up corruption-plagued Washington using the brand of right and wrong that he learned growing up as an African-American in the south; how he has old-fashioned parents who were ready to snap a switch from the tree in the front yard of their home in Memphis and cane him if he broke the rules.

If victorious on November 7, Mr Ford will be the first popularly elected black from the South to take a seat at the exclusive 100-member Senate.

His skilled oration on domestic politics may be flawless, but his grip on foreign policy is error-prone. Yesterday he stumbled into gaffes on the North Korean nuclear tests and then mentioned Australia in the same breath as rogue nations wanting to go nuclear.

"Here we are in a world today where more countries have access to nuclear weapons than ever before," Mr Ford said, adding that when he left college in 1992 he thought the nuclear age had come to an end "and America would find ways to eliminate the number of chances that a rogue group or a rogue nation would get their hands on nuclear material".

"Today nine countries have it - more than ever before - and 40 are seeking it, including Argentina, Australia and South Africa," he said.


Mr Ford was referring to the nine known nuclear weapon states: the US, Britain, Russia, China, France, India, Pakistan, Israel and now North Korea.

He said this made the US less safe because "more countries have nuclear weapons today which means the possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands has increased dramatically".

On North Korea, he claimed Pyongyang had conducted two nuclear tests, the first of which he said occurred on July 4. This confuses the ballistic tests Pyongyang carried out on that date with the single nuclear test earlier this month.

The gaffes were lost on the audience and he was given a rousing standing ovation from Democrats and Republicans alike. Any chance of clarifying Mr Ford's remarks with the man himself was impossible as minders shielded any international media from asking questions, ushering Mr Ford away.

"You don't win us any votes," said his spokeswoman. And she might have added that it also means he is insulated from pesky questions probing his limitations on enunciating a foreign policy involving a trusted ally.

Not that any of that appears to matter much in Tennessee. The polls have Mr Ford in a dead heat with Republican Bob Corker.

And it is not clear if Mr Corker has benefited from a controversial campaign ad that has aired on Tennessee television in which a scantily clad woman claims to have met Mr Ford at a Playboy party. Mr Ford was one of 3000 guests at a Playboy party for the Super Bowl last year.

The ad has been pulled after a storm of protests.
Here's my question Representive Ford (I'll call him Senator if he wins) Why I should I care or be frightened of a nuclear Australia, who has been a loyal ally since WWII and is a member of the family, why should I tremble at the idea of the PM of Australia weilding a nuclear weapon? Australia is a rational, democratic nation is it not?

Hell I'm not even sure why I should be frightened of Argintinia getting the bomb, given that it's very unlikely that Argintinia is actually attempting it, or would be stupid enough to do anything with them if it did.

Come on, I get why Iran or N Korea or even Eygpt would be dangerous but Australia!?!

#2

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:31 pm
by Destructionator XV
Maybe he was just listing the first examples that came to mind, but I don't see Australia, or any other Commonwealth country as being a threat to us at all. Ever. Nor any Commonwealth country being a threat to any other Commonwealth country. If it were to come down to that, it seems to me that the Queen would probably do something personally, even if her official powers are limited by the various facts of each sovereign country.

I might not be completely realistic saying 'ever', but it just seems absurd to me to think of Australia or the United Kingdom or Canada, etc. (I lump France in there, too) as a threat in any way. Sure, we have our differences at times on various issues, but like you worded it, they are family.

Moreover, I think Australia could probably go nuclear pretty easily if they really wanted to. After all, they are an industrial society in good economic shape, and I think they assisted the UK get its weapons, but IIRC they signed a non-profileration treaty anyhow. But again, I know I am repeating myself, but I cannot even fathom them as being a threat at all.

Now, part of his concern as I read it was the more that exist, the bigger possibility of them being stolen, but again, I have no doubt that Australia can protect themselves from pilfering terrorists, and one last time, they certainly aren't going to willingly give them to the wrong people.

I don't know what Mr Ford was thinking when he said that, but it doesn't seem to represent my views on it, and I would guess many more Americans as well.

#3

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:33 pm
by frigidmagi
My view on the possible theft is this. If the Russians can prevent nuclear warheads from being stolen and used in the middle of a social and political meltdown, then stable, prosperous Australia will do more then fine.

One thing that does bother is that no one as been allowed to question Representive Ford directly on this comment.

#4

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:51 pm
by SirNitram
Ah, Tennesee. Where everyone is crazy.

The Austrailians, of course, do not need nuclear weapons. They have elite kangaroo cavalry.

#5

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:54 pm
by frigidmagi
Don't forget the Wombat sappers.

#6

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:07 pm
by LadyTevar
. . . . .

This is why Tennessee should stick to Country Music.

#7

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:58 am
by Stofsk
This guy is beyond stupid. Australia is so security conscious with regards to anything nuclear that there's some controversy even selling uranium for commercial purposes (because the rationale goes that if countries like China get uranium off of us solely for civilian purposes, that frees up their other sources for military applications). There was also controversy earlier in the year when India was interested in buying but people were going "But they haven't signed the NPT."

We could have had nuclear power with an aim at producing nuclear weapons in this country in the early 70s if a certain Liberal PM did not have to face a leadership challenge and lose. (the guy who replaced him lost to Gough Whitlam)

So I suppose technically he was right... if this was 30 fucking years ago. Same goes with South Africa. They looked like they were going for nuclear weapons... a decade ago. What a fucking tool.

#8

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:22 am
by Josh
Stofsk wrote:This guy is beyond stupid. Australia is so security conscious with regards to anything nuclear that there's some controversy even selling uranium for commercial purposes (because the rationale goes that if countries like China get uranium off of us solely for civilian purposes, that frees up their other sources for military applications). There was also controversy earlier in the year when India was interested in buying but people were going "But they haven't signed the NPT."

We could have had nuclear power with an aim at producing nuclear weapons in this country in the early 70s if a certain Liberal PM did not have to face a leadership challenge and lose. (the guy who replaced him lost to Gough Whitlam)

So I suppose technically he was right... if this was 30 fucking years ago. Same goes with South Africa. They looked like they were going for nuclear weapons... a decade ago. What a fucking tool.
Of course that's what -you'd- say.

Thank god for Tennessee Harold Ford protecting us from nuclear vegemite.

#9

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:42 am
by Scottish Ninja
Thank god for Tennessee Harold Ford protecting us from nuclear vegemite.
Sigged.

I'd actually be interested in seeing his list of "40 countries" and just where they are in regards to producing a nuclear warhead.

#10

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:32 pm
by frigidmagi
It's likely just a list of every nation with a nuclear reactor. Australia has one, one nuclear reactor that I know of and it's a small one.

#11

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:10 pm
by Stofsk
Lucas Heights, used solely for science experiments.

#12

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:40 pm
by frigidmagi
So basically Japan is better equipped to start making nuclear weapons then Australians.

#13

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:08 pm
by SirNitram
frigidmagi wrote:So basically Japan is better equipped to start making nuclear weapons then Australians.
And have incentive. It's like GITS: 2nd GiG right now, only the Refugee situation swapped for Norks.

#14

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:56 pm
by B4UTRUST
Here's a Ford related political ad. It's the one that was supposedly very racial. I'd say it's more of sensationalist ad and classic mudslinging type crap rather then racial. But I think the racial bit deals with the fact that one of the ladies in there discusses meeting him at a playboy party. The whole black stereotype about how easy blonde white women are a black man's weakness or some such nonsense.

Link

#15

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:59 pm
by frigidmagi
There also the fact that alot of Tenn voters don't approve of Playboy mansion parties. Doesn't stop them from buying playboy I've noticed.