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Posted: **Tue May 06, 2008 7:21 pm**

I see there's no thread yet, so...

North Carolina has been called for Obama; Indiana looks like it's going for Clinton. I only just got back from turning in the results for my precinct to the courthouse; I can't speak for the rest of the state, but the votes from my polling station went nearly two to one in Clinton's favor. I'm too bushed to find more stuff at the moment; more after I've had sleep.

Posted: **Tue May 06, 2008 7:35 pm**

Clinton is ahead by less than 50,000 votes in Indiana right now. So while it's in her favor it's not by much and a quarter of the precincts haven't come in yet.

So if it does go in her favor it isn't gonna be enough for her to realistically go "See? He can't win states like this" because it was close, this is still going to be Obama's day.

Posted: **Tue May 06, 2008 7:56 pm**

She may not be able to justify such a statement, but she'll make it all the same.

I'm just glad recent polls show Obama is recovering from the damage his former pastor has been dishing out.

Posted: **Tue May 06, 2008 10:37 pm**

Her led is down to 16,000!

Posted: **Tue May 06, 2008 10:46 pm**

NBC just reported that Hillary Clinton is holding no public events tomorrow. We'd earlier reported that she'd cancelled her morning show appearances. But that's not that surprising. There's not a lot good to talk about. But canceling all public appearances, if that's what they're saying, is a different story.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/193606.php

Posted: **Tue May 06, 2008 11:21 pm**

Hillary won Indiana with a net total of ~22k votes, and lost North Carolina by over 200k. How much? Even with the loss in Indiana, Obama's net gain today is STILL over 200k.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 12:21 am**

It's two AM, my eyes have improved slightly, the jazz band on MSNBC is serenading me, the blowhards have gone to bed(So they can bloviate on Morning Joe), and the Tahalshia Election Centre is weighing in.

Overall: Minimum, net minimum, Obama came 13 delegates ahead tonight. The last percent can go however it wants.. It can vote Buchanan.. But he got 13 dels. This erases Pennsylvania. And the winding down of campaigning in states shall begin.

Speeches: Obama conceded Indiana, apparently content with his huge win in NC and how close Indiana was going to be. He focused on re-uniting the party, that McCain is Bush's 3rd term, and that they will come together. Clinton's speech is more odd. She starts off in full hot air 'WE'RE WINNING!(Ignore all rational thought)', but by halfway has shifted down a gear, emphasizing she'll unite the party, work for the nominee, and go forward.

Announcements: Obama is now 38 pledged from locking down the Pledged lead. He's also far enough ahead that you could seat those rulebreaking jackasses in Michigan and Florida as-is and he's still in the lead. Hillary cancelled all her morning talkshow appearances tomorrow and sent out a fundraising letter. Update: Word is she has no public appearances tomorrow. Clock's ticking, lady! There's still races! I thought you were full steam ahead after this 'tiebreaker'!

The results are close enough.. With 11% of those voting being Republicans.. That there's discussion of Limbaugh propping Clinton up. So be it. Please, have Obama register tens of thousands of more motivated Dems for November. Help Dean make all 50 states worthwhile.

Worked out so well in that Lousiana special election, didn't it?

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 5:49 am**

Any votes by Republicans in a DEMOCRAT primary should be thrown out.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 8:22 am**

Tev: Reasoning similar to that one is why I couldn't vote in this contest. :sad:

In other news, Clinton's Campaign just got on a conference call with MSNBC, and is falling back on the same tired "BUT WE WON THE SWING STATES! WE WILL KEEP GOING!" garbage.

The kept bringing up Michigan and Florida, which is getting hilarious, because Obama wasn't even on the ballot in either state. But they "won". Hillary's campaign is flailing. She's over 11 million in the hole, and has virtually nothing to show for it. They keep moving the goalposts and trying to keep it going, and they're making increasingly desperate calls for campaign donations.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 8:51 am**

He was on the ballot in Flordia, but didn't campaign there. Not a single commercial, appearance or so on. He wasn't on the ballot in Michigan. No one was expect Hillary, she still only gained 55% of the vote, losing 45% to Anyone But Her. In that context her victories are... less then impressive.

As for the finial count in Indiana.

This Is Fucking CNN!

Clinton 641,734
Obama 623,290

Total margin of victory: 18,444 senior citizen votes. By the way bad news for Hill, the narrative has changed... Against her.

CNN

Barack Obama took a major step Tuesday toward securing the Democratic presidential nomination. Not only did he score a convincing victory in North Carolina; but by drawing to a virtual tie in Indiana he made an already difficult path for Hillary Clinton to the presidential nomination significantly more challenging.
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After Tuesday night, Obama took a larger lead in pledged delegates as well as the overall popular vote.
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But Clinton vowed to soldier on, telling supporters at a rally in Indiana "it's full-speed on to the White House."

Obama wakes up this morning with a larger lead in pledged delegates as well as the overall popular vote. For Clinton, time for a rebound may be slipping away.

The finish line is 2025 delegates, and with North Carolina and Indiana in the rear view mirror, only six contests and 217 pledged delegates remain. Over the next month, in addition to wooing the dwindling pool of voters who have yet to weigh in on this nomination battle, Clinton and Obama aides tell CNN they are actively pursuing the roughly 280 uncommitted super delegates.

These party insiders and elected officials -- who are granted special voting privileges at the convention -- will eventually determine the next Democratic nominee.

Pressure is now on Clinton to somehow find a way to stop what increasingly looks like an unstoppable Obama march to the nomination.Video Watch how Clinton won the Indiana primary Â»

Heading into Tuesday, Clinton had to win solidly in Indiana and pull closer than expected in North Carolina. Instead, the opposite happened. In North Carolina, Obama cruised to an easy 14-point win largely on the strength of overwhelming support of African-Americans and self-identified liberals and moderates. Geographically, Obama won every region with the exception of the state's westernmost counties.
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Clinton eked out one of the narrowest wins of this primary season in Indiana based on her continued solid support among older voters. Obama won voters age 17-64 by 6 points, a margin which paled in comparison to Clinton's 38-point spread among voters age 65 and older.

As we have seen in previous primaries, Obama performed better among college educated voters, while Clinton captured the support of voters without a college degree.

When it came to experience versus change -- central themes in this campaign -- Clinton once again dominated those voters more concerned with experience. Obama handily won voters who placed a higher priority on the need for change in Washington.

Looking ahead, there are some bright spots for the Clinton campaign. Next week the campaign shifts to West Virginia, where the demographic and socioeconomic terrain ought to favor her. On May 20, the candidates will battle it out in Kentucky and Oregon. Clinton is also expected to do well in Kentucky, while she will try to defy expectations in Oregon. Her support among Hispanics may bode well for her on the June 1st Puerto Rico primary. Two days later, Clinton will battle it out with Obama in Montana and South Dakota -- the final two states to weigh in on this marathon primary season. But unless she scores landside victories in the remaining contests, most pundits predict the delegates will be split about evenly.
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One of the main challenges for Clinton over the next month will be to raise enough money to compete with Obama in the final contests. Super delegates will be closely monitoring Clinton's financial situation to assess her continued viability.

Another hurdle for Clinton will be to find some way to convince Democratic leaders that the votes in Michigan and Florida should be counted.

Tell me little miss Clinton, do you think you can hold those 65 year olds again McCain and the Republican depot of ammo against you over a decade strong? Cause I doubt it.[/quote]

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:01 am**

If she's smart...she'll drop out instead of continuing this charade of hers....

but then again, if she was smart, she'd have dropped out sometime ago.

I'm just getting tired of this election cycle already, and it's not even the general election season!

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:02 am**

LadyTevar wrote:Any votes by Republicans in a DEMOCRAT primary should be thrown out.

And how do you propose we do that? Unless they care to tell us (which some did, but I'm sure not all) then we can't know their party affiliation; we just know which ballot they asked to vote on.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:03 am**

LadyTevar wrote:Any votes by Republicans in a DEMOCRAT primary should be thrown out.

Actually according to CNN, registered Republicans who voted for democrats only swung for Hillary by a small margin. It was the self-labeled conservatives (which would include independents) that went more for Hillary. Though Independents swung towards Obama.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:08 am**

You know what I think is hilarious in all of this besides that Clinton's base of support will flee her for McCain in a heartbeat? Or that many of her "swing states" are not?

It's that McCain only won North Carolina by 50% of the vote. 41% went to a man who isn't even in the race. That's right, a man who dropped out of the race did better than Hillary did in North Carolina. It also shows that McCain's got a lot of work to do.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:15 am**

Rogue 9 wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:Any votes by Republicans in a DEMOCRAT primary should be thrown out.
And how do you propose we do that? Unless they care to tell us (which some did, but I'm sure not all) then we can't know their party affiliation; we just know which ballot they asked to vote on.

Once you're off the bong smoke, the percentages were registered Republican, and many states have these whacky things called 'Closed Primaries', which do just what was said: Only Registered Dems can vote.

Some States choose to have open ones. Not all of them do. You may now sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. Christ, Americans register their political allegiance, it's not hard to exclude or include, but you had to pop up like a jackass-in-the-box.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:17 am**

I'm fairly sure Obama can carry that state in a GE. Here's the thing in a general election New England and California is not going to vote for McCain. However the Rust belt stands a fairly good chance of doing so and Hillary cannot even hope to fight him in the West and South.

Obama can carry the Rust Belt, or at least parts of it and challenge McCain in the West and South, especially if he keeps campaigning like this. I mean fuck, he campaigns like Patton fought you know? Speed, Fire and Intensity. McCain doesn't play that fast or hard.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:26 am**

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:Any votes by Republicans in a DEMOCRAT primary should be thrown out.
And how do you propose we do that? Unless they care to tell us (which some did, but I'm sure not all) then we can't know their party affiliation; we just know which ballot they asked to vote on.
Once you're off the bong smoke, the percentages were registered Republican, and many states have these whacky things called 'Closed Primaries', which do just what was said: Only Registered Dems can vote.

Some States choose to have open ones. Not all of them do. You may now sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. Christ, Americans register their political allegiance, it's not hard to exclude or include, but you had to pop up like a jackass-in-the-box.

I've got mixed feelings on Closed Primaries. On the one hand they don't allow Republicans to switch over or whatever, but let's be honest you can probably count the number of registered Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary on two hands, and most of them are going to do it because they like a candidate over attempts at sabotage.

On the other hand it really cuts a LOT of people off from the process, people like myself and many of my friends who are independents in New York. So Closed Primaries really do one thing, they make certain that the most liberal or most conservative candidate gets the nomination because only the people hardcore enough to actually want to officially join a party are allowed to decide who the nominee should be.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:27 am**

Feed from MSNBC:

-McGovern has urged Hillary to drop out and has jumped ship to Obama.
-Hillary is in West Virginia. Have fun, Nit & Tev!

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:41 am**

Hotfoot wrote:Feed from MSNBC:

-McGovern has urged Hillary to drop out and has jumped ship to Obama.
-Hillary is in West Virginia. Have fun, Nit & Tev!

She can drive around the urban centres and see the utter lack of even garden signs for her, then, compared to Obama. She's free to.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:50 am**

SirNitram wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:Feed from MSNBC:

-McGovern has urged Hillary to drop out and has jumped ship to Obama.
-Hillary is in West Virginia. Have fun, Nit & Tev!
She can drive around the urban centres and see the utter lack of even garden signs for her, then, compared to Obama. She's free to.

No no, hon.. she's in Sheperdstown, in the Eastern Panhandle... where all the DC Beltway bigwigs build vacation homes.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 9:51 am**

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:Any votes by Republicans in a DEMOCRAT primary should be thrown out.
And how do you propose we do that? Unless they care to tell us (which some did, but I'm sure not all) then we can't know their party affiliation; we just know which ballot they asked to vote on.
Once you're off the bong smoke, the percentages were registered Republican, and many states have these whacky things called 'Closed Primaries', which do just what was said: Only Registered Dems can vote.

Some States choose to have open ones. Not all of them do. You may now sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. Christ, Americans register their political allegiance, it's not hard to exclude or include, but you had to pop up like a jackass-in-the-box.

Yeah, but Indiana has an open primary. Those are the rules. We're not going to just throw out votes now.

Want to change the law? Fine. Say that. Don't fly off the handle saying to start throwing out votes now that it's over. Including, I might add, my vote, because closed primaries shut out independents entirely.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 10:23 am**

Rogue 9 wrote:Yeah, but Indiana has an open primary. Those are the rules. We're not going to just throw out votes now. Want to change the law? Fine. Say that. Don't fly off the handle saying to start throwing out votes now that it's over. Including, I might add, my vote, because closed primaries shut out independents entirely.

'Fly off the handle'? Sorry, Rogue, you're hallucinating you're important again. You were the one stupid enough to vomit this onto the computer screen:

And how do you propose we do that? Unless they care to tell us (which some did, but I'm sure not all) then we can't know their party affiliation; we just know which ballot they asked to vote on.

And I just explained it's already done and you're too dumb to notice. Screech to someone else that I'm 'flying off the handle', your words are clear as day.

Also, I don't give a fuck if you think you would be grossly impaired to not be in a national party's primary because you're not in a national party. You're the same bozo who objected to national parties exercising their legal control over those primaries when Michigan and Florida decided rules didn't apply to them, remember?

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 10:31 am**

Okay, I'm going to explain this in fine detail.

LadyTevar wrote:Any votes by Republicans in a DEMOCRAT primary should be thrown out.

This does not say "The law should be changed so that future primaries are all closed." It says "Any Republican who voted in the Democratic primary should have his vote discounted."

I responded with the following:

Rogue 9 wrote:And how do you propose we do that? Unless they care to tell us (which some did, but I'm sure not all) then we can't know their party affiliation; we just know which ballot they asked to vote on.

And this is absolutely, positively true and relevant: As much as the good lady may wish otherwise, we did not record which people cast which ballots, (I mean, fucking duh, it's called a secret ballot for a reason) so even if we went back through the voter books, checked against party registrations, and compared to see which Republicans voted on the Democratic ballot, we literally could not discount their votes, because we do not know which ones were theirs. It is literally impossible to do as she suggests.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 10:35 am**

Both of you enhance your calms. Now.

Nitram, feel free to disagree (how ever violently you will) with Rouge (trust me, I know you to disaagree alot on politics especially...) but dial down the flame thrower to low instead of medium please.

Rouge...just.....don't.

As you were Gentlemen.

Outside of Admin mode....: It's a Democratic Primary for a reason, not a Democrat/Independant Primary. I actively changed my voting affiliation this year TO Democrat, so no matter what, back home I could vote in the Democratic Primary for Obama. If you want to vote for the person in the Convention's primary run, man up and change your affiliation, don't straddle the fence and complain when you wouldn't be counted.\

As for those Republicans voting in the Democratic ballot....well...that's the bad thing about open primaries ain't it? Any fucker could go there and vote even if it's not party affiliation.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2008 10:40 am**

It is on low medium, for a statement that is so frankly stupid when taken in context. If context is to be ignored, then banana.

More to the point. Closed primaries don't actually keep out this Limbaugh Operation Chaos asshattery. We know this because one of the earlier primaries was closed and had alot of people re-register, as is their right, specifically for that year and that primary.

Result was that the strong Republican candidate in their own primary lost huge support to this prank and crashed, burned, and exploded.

Ah, consequences of actions. Those things adults have to think about.

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