2nd President Debate

Post by **Dark Silver** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:16 pm

Going on right now. Should have started this thread earlier.

McCain vs Obama, Town-hall style.

Discuss.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:18 pm

Well, I obviously won't have any direct responses until I get home tonight in about 4.5 hours, as there's no TV here at work, so I'll just be reading about it.

Should be interesting, though.

Post by **Dark Silver** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:24 pm

Be glad your not playing the drinking game for this.

I went through a six pack not 20 minutes into this because of the "sip when he says My Friends"

He's calling for Energy Independence as a fix all for the economy, and he's streaching the time limits each time. Brokaw needs to call him harder on this.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:09 pm

McCain is pretty bad tonight. He keeps niggling back to 'One sec while I attack Obama. Again. On something we had the back and forth on.'

Post by **Dark Silver** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:13 pm

It was...surreal..

McCain seemed to go off on his tangets, got his lies in, and Obama for the most part couldn't get his response in to the lies.

But in the end, it looks like Obama got a win on it going by undecideds.

Charon · Post by **Charon** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:18 pm

In terms of the issues I'm going to have to say that neither one did so much better than the other that a clear winner can be declared. I'm figuring I believe Obama kicked ass because I'm biased.

It was clear however who was the better speaker and that was once again Obama. He was clear on his points, he was friendly to the audience. McCain was stiff and unfriendly the entire debate, and his "my friends" only got creepier and creepier every time he said it.

Post by **Dark Silver** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:26 pm

Apparently even before the "Debate" was finished, the RNC and McCain's campaign issued a email in complaint against this debate!

The complaint?

They say this wasn't a real town hall style meeting. They just said it on Countdown....

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:34 pm

Dark Silver wrote:Apparently even before the "Debate" was finished, the RNC and McCain's campaign issued a email in complaint against this debate!

The complaint?

They say this wasn't a real town hall style meeting. They just said it on Countdown....

Oh, they didn't notice the format beforehand?

Nice, that either makes them look incompetent or incompetently desperate, either way.

Charon · Post by **Charon** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:35 pm

That reminds me that my friends and I kept routing Brokaw on to smack a bitch because they kept going over their time-limits.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:42 am

Am I the only one who saw some hardcore favoritism?

Brokaw only called out the time issue after Obama, when McCain was the one not even noticing the lights. He chastised Obama to stay on subject, ignoring how McCain kept pulling the 'One more thing..' bell to attack yet again. He knocks Obama down for wanting some flexibility to deal with the shovelling of bullcrap, then moments later insists the rules are pretty loose.

I dunno, came off favoritist to me.

Post by **Dark Silver** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:49 am

Yeah, Brokaw was being pretty damn favorable to McCain through the entire thing. But then again Brokaw has had a man-crush on ol Johnboy for ever and a day.

I was watching Countdown after the townhall, and had to enjoy everything that was being called on after. From McCain's "the one!" comment to how old and decrepid he looked even walking out to the stag (was it just me or did McCain look to be doing the "Old Man Shuffle" as he walked up?)

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:56 am

Yea, he was. And 'That One'.. Okay, I know alot of gasbags are debating over it, but here's the bottom line:

It was disrespectful.

Obama can be referred to dozens of ways politely or at least neutrally. He could even slip in another 'My Friend' there('My Friend here'). He could call him simply 'This Senator'. Or 'Senator Obama'. Or even 'Mr. Obama'.

Nope. 'THAT ONE.' Disrespect.

Jason_Firewalker · Post by **Jason_Firewalker** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:40 am

This is why I am glad my state goes Dem

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:03 pm

Apologies to all those who call themselves conservatives but don't act like this pack of idiots. But, it's time to see what McCain's boys in red thought! Sanitized from blogs because this shit really displays a broken, sad little party.

First, let's see them rant about Obama. How shallow is the pool today?

[quote] â€“ â€œWhen Obama says Pock-i-stahn I have an uncontrollable urge to read the New Yorker and find some Chardonnay. Fortunately I have an old copy of NR and a Coors Light to snap me back to reality. Seriously though â€” no one in flyover country says Pock-i-stahn. Itâ€™s annoying.â€

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:17 pm

You know before he went nuts Ben Stein wrote a book that I bought. In this book which was conservative all the way, he wrote repeatly that we should remember that Liberals are Americans to and not only that they're loyal Americans who just happen to disagree with Conservatives on what's best for America. This book was written in 2002 or 2003.

I wish the people he was trying to speak to would have remembered that. Especially now.

This Bill Ayers thing is ridiculous. Obama was eight years fucking old when he was conducting his campaign. Not to mention the only times they ever spend much time together is when discussing school funding.

Shit I mean how much of a terrorist can Bill Ayers be if the FBI isn't dragging him off?

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:26 pm

I have some sympathy for the idiots in the website mentioned by Nitram. Their candidate is going down to a crushing, unmitigated defeat *Knock on wood*. People grasp at straws and rant incoherently when such things are occurring.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:15 pm

General Havoc wrote:I have some sympathy for the idiots in the website mentioned by Nitram. Their candidate is going down to a crushing, unmitigated defeat *Knock on wood*. People grasp at straws and rant incoherently when such things are occurring.

It's comprehendable. This is the online wing of the National Review, a borderline Imperialist/Dominionist rag that was founded in the 60s and seems to exist in a perpetual state of 'The hippies will destroy us'.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:24 pm

frigidmagi wrote: Shit I mean how much of a terrorist can Bill Ayers be if the FBI isn't dragging him off?

Mr. Ayers admits involvement in bombings of the NYC Police HQ, US Capital Building, and Pentagon. Unlike some Weathermen, his bodycount is one, with one casualty. This is in his memoirs. The Pentagon attack did signifigant damage, but no one was harmed.

In 76 or 77, two things happened: One, Ayers decided to turn himself in(His wife, having been pregnant, urged him to wait), and all Fed charges were dropped for the usual reason cases dried up in that period: The Prosecution had violated a couple of the canons, a few laws, and so on.

In 1980, his wife relented, and Ayers turned himself into the authorities. And as far as the FBI and the rest were concerned, the book closed then. He's gone on to become an academic and family man.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:36 pm

People make mistakes, pay the penalty for them, and move on. Would Ms. Palin prefer we branded his crime on his forehead and forced him to spin a rattle while chanting "unclean"?

Though in fairness, if he did kill someone with those bombs of his, he should have done time for it.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:46 pm

General Havoc wrote:People make mistakes, pay the penalty for them, and move on. Would Ms. Palin prefer we branded his crime on his forehead and forced him to spin a rattle while chanting "unclean"?

Though in fairness, if he did kill someone with those bombs of his, he should have done time for it.

I leave that question to the authorities tasked with his case. I'm not legal.

That being said, Palin and McCain are doing this.

1) Palin's got closer ties to a Mr. Vogler, founder of the AIP. A recommendation: It's a bad sign when you die in connection to a plastic explosives deal gone bad. NYT Also a no-no: Getting Iran to sponsor your rants on the UN about how you are a free country.

2) McCain's long history of voting against laws that would treat one of the terrorist groups in America with the largest bodycount(Largest damage in monetary is probably the eco-loonies who torch SUVs) as terrorists and criminals. You know, the people who shoot, firebomb, and otherwise commit violence against providers of legal abortions.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:41 pm

Do the Anti-abortion wackos actually have a larger bodycount in the US than Al Qaeda?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:17 am

General Havoc wrote:Do the Anti-abortion wackos actually have a larger bodycount in the US than Al Qaeda?

Meant Domestic groups, but I can yank the numbers. I also might be wrong on general bodycount in that arena.

7 direct murders, 18 attempted, though the staggering one is 554 clinics hit with 'Anthrax Letters' tied to a man as part of this.

I retract the statement on the bodycount being high among either all terrorist groups or domestic ones.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:24 am

Yeah, terrible as those figures are, they don't exceed Oklahoma City or even some of the more heinous school shootings.

Still, murder for the sake of terrorizing people is still terrorism, particularly when biological warfare gets involved. I can't imagine McCain would show this much restraint for anyone else.

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