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#1 Colorado Legislator: I hope your baby gets AIDS, slut.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:47 pm
by SirNitram
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A Republican legislator's remarks about sexuality sparked a bitter volley Wednesday at the state Capitol, the second time in three days such comments have created controversy.

Though unwilling to publicly discuss the issue, a number of Republicans privately expressed dismay at the brouhaha, fearing the comments may hurt their party's image.

Sen. Dave Schultheis, of Colorado Springs, on Wednesday opposed a bill requiring all pregnant women to be tested for HIV, so that if they are infected their babies can be treated to prevent the transfer of the virus.

"This stems from sexual promiscuity for the most part, and I just can't go there," he said.

"We do things continually to remove the consequences of poor behavior, unacceptable behavior, quite frankly. I'm not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions."

Two days earlier, Sen. Scott Renfroe, of Greeley, used biblical references when he linked murder and homosexuality during a debate on a bill to extend health care benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian state workers.

The back-to-back comments were too much for Sen. Jennifer Veiga, D-Denver.

"Where is the Republican leadership on all this?" she demanded.

Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry responded he is not going to muzzle his caucus, although he has reminded his colleagues "we should never lose sight of the humanity of people on the other side of an issue."

"People are entitled to their opinions," the Grand Junction Republican said. "It's not my job to go around and censor people and tell them what to say."

He added that he thought Democrats were trying to "gin up the outrage machine" and said their hands aren't clean when it comes to questionable comments.

But the Capitol was abuzz Wednesday about Schultheis' remarks on a bill that had the support of every other Senate Republican, including Penry, who signed on as a co-sponsor.

Rep. Marsha Looper, of Calhan, was one of the few Republicans willing to publicly take her party members to task.

"What are they doing over there?" she asked, referring to the Senate. "I find their comments inappropriate and offensive, and I question their motives."

Schultheis later accused Democrats of "speaking out of two sides of their mouths."

"They go to extreme lengths to try to protect the fetus," he said. "On the other hand they're willing to pass laws that allow abortions or will not reduce abortions."

Former Gov. Bill Owens was puzzled over Schultheis' "no" vote.

"It's extremely inconsistent for any person who is pro life to oppose this effort to potentially save the life of a child," he said.

Owens, a Republican who served in the legislature before becoming governor in 1999, said the GOP tried to run a similar bill in the 1990s but was thwarted by the AIDS lobby, which feared profiling. He said he is thrilled it might become law.

Schultheis' remarks came during debate on Senate Bill 179, which makes several changes to state law concerning communicable diseases, including the requirement of the HIV test. Pregnant women can opt out, which goes in their medical records.

The sponsor, Sen. Lois Tochtrop, D-Thornton, pointed out that not everyone who is HIV positive got the virus through sexual contact.

Tochtrop, who is a nurse, said the risk of transferring the virus from mother to baby during the pregnancy or delivery can be reduced from 25 percent to 2 percent with medication and preventive care.
"This stems from sexual promiscuity for the most part, and I just can't go there," he said.

Yea, gotta love this level of moron. Luckily, he was the lone dissenting vote in the Colorado Legislature.

EDIT: Due to cough meds, I mispelled the title, typing 'Legislature', and not 'Legislator'. The typo would imply the entire state house and senate were with this bozo. This is wrong, and sorry if you saw the wrong one.

#2

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:57 pm
by frigidmagi
I find his logic and position highly dubious and immoral.

Let's go ahead and operate from his admittedly faulty premise to show what I mean.

If the women in question has HIV or AIDs then she is already suffering the consequences of actions, although not necessary the consequences of her own actions. Finding out about it doesn't make those consequences go poof and disappear, but it may save her life which I would venture to suggest is in and of itself a worthwhile action by nearly every moral system out there.

Meanwhile you increase the chances of saving the baby. Let me point out that the baby here is a complete innocent. He or She had no control over any action or actions leading up to their conception. Nor can they influence their mother or father's action while in the womb (or out of it for decades at best but that's a side issue).

Demanding that we do not act then increases the chances that an utter innocent will suffer a life destroying illness... Because of something their parents may or may not have done.

I don't think I have to go any further here.

As for not censoring him... Everytime he opens his mouth he provides the political opponents of his party with more ammo. You're damn right I would censor him even if I had to sit on him or worse.

#3

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:34 pm
by Mayabird
Former Gov. Bill Owens was puzzled over Schultheis' "no" vote.

"It's extremely inconsistent for any person who is pro life to oppose this effort to potentially save the life of a child," he said.
Quoted for truth. This is something I've been saying for a while. Fetuses are the most precious thing in the entire universe to people who call themselves "pro life" but once they're born, fuck 'em. The states that have the most restrictive abortion laws also do the least to support children once they're born. I'm glad someone in the political establishment (even if retired) at least gets some of this.

#4

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:08 pm
by The Minx
Mayabird wrote:
Former Gov. Bill Owens was puzzled over Schultheis' "no" vote.

"It's extremely inconsistent for any person who is pro life to oppose this effort to potentially save the life of a child," he said.
Quoted for truth. This is something I've been saying for a while. Fetuses are the most precious thing in the entire universe to people who call themselves "pro life" but once they're born, fuck 'em. The states that have the most restrictive abortion laws also do the least to support children once they're born. I'm glad someone in the political establishment (even if retired) at least gets some of this.
I get the impression that many of them don't really care about the fetus either. To people like this legislator, it's probably just a control thing, nothing more. :mad:

#5

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:11 pm
by SirNitram
'Pro-Life' followed the same process as 'We hate negros being near our kids' evolving into 'busing programs', and 'We hate fags' evolved into 'Sanctity of marriage'. You pick up alot of rubes if you PCize, focus-group, re-label, and market your idea right.

#6

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:52 pm
by General Havoc
SirNitram wrote:'Pro-Life' followed the same process as 'We hate negros being near our kids' evolving into 'busing programs', and 'We hate fags' evolved into 'Sanctity of marriage'. You pick up alot of rubes if you PCize, focus-group, re-label, and market your idea right.
I don't know, the majority of the pro-life people I know are not pro-life because they believe women are sluts, just as I'm sure that most people who supported public bussing were not doing so because they were racists (especially given the history of that movement). I don't think that those issues "evolved" out of racism and homophobia, and I don't think pro-life movements are derived from misogyny. Of course plenty of such people are pro-life, but the evolution in question does more than just change names. Pro-life does not mean "woman-hater" with a PC label slapped over it.

#7

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:21 pm
by SirNitram
I was trying to communicate that exact point: These things start from those bigoted views, but with enough careful PR work, you can sway alot of people who'd never agree with the blunt version into your corner. It's a double-edged sword though. Really good PR work makes people agree with pro-life without thinking abortion is murder, sexual promiscuity needs consequences, etc. Bad PR work, and you end up with some of the chunks of Jindal's speech: Bashing volcano monitoring just sounds dumb, because it was rapidly and badly packaged boilerplate against all government spending.