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#1 Who belongs in the UNSC?

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:14 pm
by Ace Pace
Lebanon, which some of you may know as this country that has recently been in a war, survived or lost to an attempted coup and currently does not have a functioning goverment, has been appointed to the United Nations Security Council.
Voice of America wrote: Bosnia, Brazil, Gabon, Lebanon and Nigeria were elected Thursday to non-permanent seats on the U.N. Security Council. They will serve two-year terms starting January 1 and will participate in decisions ranging from deploying U.N. peacekeepers to imposing sanctions.

This year's vote lacked the suspense of some previous elections, because all five candidates were unopposed and succeeded in getting the two-thirds majority required in the first round of secret ballots.

Ten of the council's 15-seats are filled by regional representatives for two-year terms. The other five seats are permanent ones held by veto-wielding members Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States.

British Ambassador John Sawers said the additions to the council will make it even stronger.

"We have two large countries in Brazil and Nigeria who carry the weight of being a regional power," he said. "We have two countries in Lebanon and Bosnia who have been through conflict and can bring their own national experiences to the Security Council."

Lebanon and Bosnia and Herzegovina, are in the unusual position of also being on the council's agenda.

Bosnia is a multiethnic country still recovering from the war that accompanied the break-up of Yugoslavia. It has experienced internal divisions and rising tensions in the past year, as major political parties struggle to agree on a basic political structure.

Bosnian Foreign Minister Sven Alkalaj said the current political crisis would not adversely impact its role on the council or prevent it from taking common positions.

"The situation in Bosnia is going to be stable, it is now stable. What is happening now is some political crisis that [also] happens elsewhere in world," he said.

Lebanon has one of the largest U.N. peacekeeping forces in the south of its country. It is also the subject of a U.N.-backed tribunal which is considering indictments in the 2005 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri. Internal divisions have prevented the formation of a new government following June elections.

One council diplomat said Lebanon could prove to be something of a wild card on Middle East issues - particularly Iran's nuclear ambitions. He noted that if the Iranian dossier comes back to the council for possible sanctions, Lebanon, which will likely have members of Iranian-backed Hezbollah's political wing in its next government, could have a conflict of interest and choose to abstain from voting.

Meanwhile, Brazil joins the council for the 10th time. It is a founding member of the United Nations and was part of the first group elected to the Security Council in 1946.

Nigeria has served three times before. Foreign Minister Ojo Maduekwe said his country would work to prevent crises and conflicts, deal with human rights issues and generally promote international solidarity.

"We intend that working with all the other members of the U.N. Security Council," he said. "Our preventive diplomacy will be central to our approach to a lot of issues."

Nominations for non-permanent seats are not required, countries simply announce their intention to run. Consideration is given to an equitable geographical distribution and a candidate's contribution to the maintenance of international peace and security.

The five new members are replacing out-going council members Burkina Faso, Costa Rica, Croatia, Libya and Vietnam. In addition to the five permanent council members, they will join Austria, Mexico, Japan, Turkey and Uganda on the 15-member council.
Anyone thinks the nomination of countries to the UNSC should at the very least include only stable countries? I mean, if Lebanon is a go, why not Afghanistan, Iraq or any other nation that barely qualifies has having a government?

Since this is a theoretical discussion, let's ignore the fact that the UNSC is irrelevant and imagine it was actually in charge of world security and stability. What should qualify a nation to serve in the UNSC?

#2

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:55 pm
by frigidmagi
To be fair Iraq is rather ahead of Lebanon. After all the central government in Iraq can these days claim to almost being in control. Also Iraq's central government is rather secure now that Al Shar has pretty much disarmed and backed off. There is no serious competitor for control of the nation there. Not to say that the central government is in complete control and there are no more problems. There's still alot of violence and shakey situations but that's still better then Afghanistan or Lebanon.

#3

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:12 pm
by Batman
So quite HOW hypothetical is this scenario? Just 'the UN actually make a difference' hypothetical or 'the rest of the world will NOT throw a hissy fit as all nominees are european/western countries?' hypothetical?

#4

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:20 pm
by frigidmagi
It's the Batman! wrote:So quite HOW hypothetical is this scenario? Just 'the UN actually make a difference' hypothetical or 'the rest of the world will NOT throw a hissy fit as all nominees are european/western countries?' hypothetical?
That guy... You know the guy wrote:Since this is a theoretical discussion, let's ignore the fact that the UNSC is irrelevant and imagine it was actually in charge of world security and stability. What should qualify a nation to serve in the UNSC?
Pretty fucking hypothetical is my guess bats. As for Lebanon, it should be entertaining to see how they vote. My guess is the Arab nations wanted someone who would vote with them at least some of the time and did anyone really want Saudi well... anywhere?

#5

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:34 pm
by Batman
There's 'the UNSC actually are in charge of world safety' hypothetical (which is not inconsiderably hypothetical already, I'll grant you that) and there is 'the rest of the world ACCEPTING they're not part of the UNSC BECAUSE it's in charge of world safety and with them ON it it'd probably fail to keep it' hypothetical.

#6

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:54 am
by Ace Pace
Assume everyone wants to be in the UNSC, or something of the sort because of prestige or what not. I'm asking what would be your criteria for a government to be nominated, voted and brought in to the UNSC.

I'd probably stick with our current permanent members as qualifiers. Countries in the UNSC should preferably be stable, with several decades worth of government. They do not need to be democratic, or the major power of their region. South Africa could convincingly be there, or Chile. Lebanon and Bosnia could not.

#7

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:02 am
by The Minx
I'd say that at the very least:
  • They need a functioning and legitimate government. This might be the most difficult to judge, since it can be pretty subjective. So maybe this criteria out of the question in practice.
  • They cannot be under international sanctions for violating the rulings of the UNSC (fairly self explanatory).
  • They must have a record as having contributed their promised share of financial and military assistance to the UN within the X months or years prior to being admitted there (um, yea about that :oops:).