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#1 Wierd inside look at North Korea

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Title says it all. I can't imagine what it must be like to live in that place.

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Brooklyn, New York (VBS.TV) -- Getting into North Korea was one of the weirdest processes VBS has ever dealt with. After we went back and forth with their representatives for months, they finally said they were going to allow 16 journalists to come and cover the Arirang Mass Games in Pyongyang. Just before our departure, they suddenly said, "No, nobody can come." Then they said, "OK, OK, you can come. But only as tourists." But they already knew we were journalists, and over there if you get caught being a journalist when you're supposed to be a tourist you go to jail. We don't like jail. And we're willing to bet we'd hate jail in North Korea.

But we went for it. The first leg of the trip was a flight into northern China. At the airport, the North Korean consulate took our passports and all our money, then brought us to a restaurant along with our tour group. All the other diners left, and these women came out and started singing North Korean nationalist songs. We were thinking, "Look, we were just on a plane for 20 hours. Can't we just go to bed?" But this guy with our group who was from the L.A. Times told us, "Everyone in here besides us is secret police. If you don't act excited then you're not going to get your visa." So we got drunk and sang songs with the girls. The next day we got our visas. A lot of people we had gone with didn't get theirs.

We flew into North Korea that night. We were supposed to have three days before the games started, but as soon as we got on the ground they told us, "The games are happening now." We went straight to the stadium, and there were 40,000 people in the stands, portraying the history of the North Korean revolution with flip cards. On the playing field before them, about 60,000 people did wild synchronized-gymnastics routines. The 15 of us who made up the audience watched from a marble dais. We were the only spectators. Fifteen audience members for a 100,000-man extravaganza.

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The next day, our grand tour began. We went to the International Friendship Museum, which comprises 2,000 rooms carved into the bottom of a mountain. The displays are all gifts from different world leaders. Joseph Stalin gave Kim Il-sung a train. Mao Zedong also gave Kim Il-sung a train. He got hunting rifles from communist East Germany's Erich Honecker and Romania's Nicolae Ceausescu and all the other Eastern-bloc guys. Madeleine Albright famously gave Kim Jong-il a basketball signed by Michael Jordan.

Perhaps the weirdest thing about North Koreans is that they genuinely don't seem to know that the rest of the planet hates and fears them. They believe (or maybe they really convincingly lie about believing) that the whole world admires and envies them and that they're the true light of socialism and Juche, which is their leader's philosophy of Communist self-reliance.

As the days went on, North Korea presented us with progressively stranger sights and encounters. Being there was like being nowhere else on the planet. Are we glad that we got into Pyongyang and were able to document it? Yes. But are we even gladder that we made it out? Watch our documentary on the trip and try to guess the answer.
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This sounds like only the tip of the iceberg ... Where do I find the rest of it?
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I've been looking around to see whether I could find it, here it is:


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It looks like a really bizarre and scary place.
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:shock:
This is not weird, it's Twilight-Zone!
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Totally crazy.

At least they have good choreographers. :shock: Though it's not as though their resources are being used on anything other than that (and the armed forces, obviously).


EDIT: and I've got to say that those film-makers have a great deal of guts doing all of that.
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I feel sorry for them, how many years do they train to pull off that display?

The VICE guys have balls of steel, and I'm sure there's a lot of things they couldn't show us. The strict nature of the tour, the effort the Koreans putt into looking "prosperous" for the foreigners... Did they really think we'd see the huge empty banquet room and think to ourselves "Wow, they have a lot!"?
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Not only are they forced to train years for that show that they put on for a handful of tourists and party officials, they're probably plucked from their communities to do so. Like those kids in the "school". :(

I really don't think they have a clue as to how outsiders think or react, notice how they were at a loss when he started singing Anarchy in the UK. They didn't even know how to react to a non-propaganda song!
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From reading a comment or two, apparently there are videos floating around of people who have visited the poor starving areas surrounding the vacant city.

Found one: YouTube
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Christ their troops all look like kids in daddy's uniform
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The Minx wrote:Not only are they forced to train years for that show that they put on for a handful of tourists and party officials, they're probably plucked from their communities to do so. Like those kids in the "school". :(

I really don't think they have a clue as to how outsiders think or react, notice how they were at a loss when he started singing Anarchy in the UK. They didn't even know how to react to a non-propaganda song!
Consider the words to the song, calling for anarky, chaos, Anti-christ... and most of all, it's Rock& Roll.
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Well I've watched the whole thing now and it's quite surreal. It's like what I envision some of the worlds in WH40K to be like, if they lacked power.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:Christ their troops all look like kids in daddy's uniform
Malnutrition all around. It's been pointed out that at the DMZ the South Korean soldiers are usually a few inches taller than their North Korean counterparts. The Kims are the only fat ones in the country.

I've watched some of the other Vice videos and yeah, big cojones. Stuff like going to Liberia and interviewing former warlords and going into the most dangerous slums to film what they are like or trying their damnedest to actually get into Darfur (they didn't actually make it, but they did interview a lot of refugees who said that it's because oil was discovered there and that's why they're being driven out).
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Malnutrition all around. It's been pointed out that at the DMZ the South Korean soldiers are usually a few inches taller than their North Korean counterparts. The Kims are the only fat ones in the country.
I noticed that from the stock footage they had in the film. It's especially noticeable when Kim is wandering around with 50 people, none of whom fit in their uniform.

I think the most depressing part of that whole thing was the "Tea Girl." I'm not sure if I should take what he said about her being alone for ten months at face value but she did seem pretty damn lonely and from the video was the only one in the entire place.
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I think of her being surrounded by all those bottles of tea, alcohol, and I think snack food, but probably too scared to take anything because of what would happen if she was caught.


There was also that long, empty 4-lane highway... talk about a road to nowhere :roll:
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Cpl Kendall wrote:Christ their troops all look like kids in daddy's uniform
What's worse, the soldiers eat better than most of the population!

LadyTevar wrote:Consider the words to the song, calling for anarky, chaos, Anti-christ... and most of all, it's Rock& Roll.
Yea, they probably didn't know whether he was mocking them or not.
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The Minx wrote: What's worse, the soldiers eat better than most of the population!
Their barracks probably have electricity and heat too. I can't imagine the hell those concrete apartments would be in the winter with no power.
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Their barracks probably have electricity and heat too. I can't imagine the hell those concrete apartments would be in the winter with no power.
At least you can make a fire in a concrete building without torching the whole place. If you're careful.

On the flip side, I doubt they got much in the way of fire wood or other burning material.

If we could get free movement for the North Koreans this whole thing would fall apart in months. As it stands, that's not a fucking nation. That's a prison.
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Yeah. I'm wondering what happens when Kim dies, Lemming rush to the border?
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He's a picked a successor, Kim Jong-Un who was educated in Switzerland. Kimmy himself was educated in the PRC and in North Korea during the 50s and 60s. I point this out because this will be the first time North Korea has a leader educated in the West or even outside of the Asian Communist System.

Assuming others in North Korea don't attempt to grab power (the various feudal lords around Kimmy or the generals in the army) we'll have an interesting situation here. To be blunt on the matter, Only an idiot or a blind man could grow up in the west and believe the North Korean system works better on any level at all. Assuming any morals, responsibility or simple ambition (if he wants North Korea to have any power or respect on the world stage he'll have to fix it) he'll have to start making changes.

Course he could always decide that living like a god in the middle of starving peasants is more then good enough. I like to think that's not how I would feel on the matter but who knows.

That said... I'm not sure the North Korean system can survive much longer on it's own juice. China, it's patron, grows increasingly dissatisfied with it. It depends on the charity of the outside world and is getting crappier by the day. I'm not claiming a mass revolt. The people are to starved to do that even if they were freed of their illusions. But the elite groups themselves may decide that they be better off getting rid of the excesses of a supreme leader or even selling off the country to the South Koreans (which would be the best thing that could happen to the North Koreans and a real bad thing to happen to the South Korean government, the cost of unification and repair is going to be mind blowing).

There's a group of South Koreans who believe that the split is a manufactured one by the US and other nations to keep Korea from becoming a world power (snickers). Unification should kick the bullshit from those drawers right quick.
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All the recent saber-rattling from them could be the outward signs of politicking and internal jockeying for power since they all know Kim Jong-il is going to bite it sooner rather than later and the handpicked successor is still barely not a kid. The army or elites or whoever took power could use him as a figurehead and rule or keep ruling however they like.

Of course, it might just be habit at this point. "North Korea said a bunch of crazy belligerent propaganda stuff. In other news, it is Tuesday."


And on those South Koreans: every country, like every village, has its idiots. And idiots are always plentiful.
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More crazy North Korea stuff. This time it is a documentary called "Friends of Kim", and is all about a pro-unity march organized by the "Korean Friendship Association". Basically, it's a bunch of gullible western kids who want to go see the workers paradise and refute the lies of the evil American Imperialists:

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In their favor, they wised up about the situation during the episode. Also, this Alejandro guy is seriously creepy.
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You know I feel bad about not coming in with those links now since I love me that crazy North Korean propaganda. However here are a few propaganda links and remember this is what they get 24-7.

The Great Leader and Great Architect Kim Jong Il

There used to be a blog that had a whole bunch of these, but the account has been suspended. He also made stuff on his own, which is quite similar to real propaganda, such as this.

Then again when they have music videos about roasted sweet potato. Yes North Korea is truly a weird and bizarre place.
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Remember that Kim is the front man for the party and military elite. Yes there is the whole cult of personality and he's the most powerful of the bunch, but the others matter. They'll do exactly what they did the last time if Kimmie croaks it: grab another front man and keep on doing insurance scams, counterfitting, and everything else that brings in the hard currency so the elite can enjoy all the perks of the decadent west.
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A female lemming-rush into China would solve the marriagable-men problem...
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Not enough North Korean Girls for that. Remember the low end of the estimate is 24 Million guys without a wife or a girlfriend. There are 23 million people total in North Korea. Assuming an even split, 12 million girls, I'll bet there aren't more then 6 million of them of marriageable age. Keep in mind if there was open border traffic South Korea would be more attractive to them, family and cultural ties and all that.

Also keep in mind that in North India there are imbalances as well and they're going to compete for those girls (good news is south India has a balanced birth rate).
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