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#1 U.A.E ambassador supports bombing Iran

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:33 am
by frigidmagi
Washington Times
The United Arab Emirates ambassador to the United States said Tuesday that the benefits of bombing Iran's nuclear program outweigh the short-term costs such an attack would impose.

In unusually blunt remarks, Ambassador Yousef al-Otaiba publicly endorsed the use of the military option for countering Iran's nuclear program, if sanctions fail to stop the country's quest for nuclear weapons.

"I think it's a cost-benefit analysis," Mr. al-Otaiba said. "I think despite the large amount of trade we do with Iran, which is close to $12 billion … there will be consequences, there will be a backlash and there will be problems with people protesting and rioting and very unhappy that there is an outside force attacking a Muslim country; that is going to happen no matter what."

"If you are asking me, 'Am I willing to live with that versus living with a nuclear Iran?,' my answer is still the same: 'We cannot live with a nuclear Iran.' I am willing to absorb what takes place at the expense of the security of the U.A.E."

Mr. al-Otaiba made his comments in response to a question after a public interview session with the Atlantic magazine at the Aspen Ideas Festival here. They echo those of some Arab diplomats who have said similar things in private to their American counterparts but never this bluntly in public.

The remarks surprised many in the audience.

Rep. Jane Harman of California, a former ranking Democrat on the House intelligence committee, told The Washington Times after the session that "I have never heard an Arab government official say that before. He was stunningly candid."

John R. Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said the comments reflect the views of many Arab states in the Persian Gulf region that "recognize the threat posed by a nuclear Iran."

"They also know — and worry — that the Obama administration's policies will not stop Iran," he told The Times in a separate interview.

Arab leaders, Mr. Bolton said, regard a pre-emptive strike as "the only alternative."

The U.A.E. ambassador "was thus only speaking the truth from his perspective," Mr. Bolton said.

Patrick Clawson, the director of research at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said of the ambassador's comments: "This is a significant increase in the concern from the United Arab Emirates."

"Important Arab officials have privately indicated to me personally and to my colleagues that they would prefer an American military strike on Iran to an Iran with nuclear weapons. However, one can never be certain what they are saying in private to other audiences," Mr. Clawson said.

Senior Obama administration officials, including Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, have not ruled out the use of a pre-emptive military option against Iran.

However, administration officials have sought to play down that option, notably because of heavy U.S. military commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan and the danger that Iran would respond by disrupting the flow of oil through the strategic Strait of Hormuz or by encouraging more terrorist attacks in the West and in the region.

Iran has been developing uranium-enrichment facilities, some in underground military facilities, in violation of its obligations to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Military specialists have said a strike on as many as two dozen Iranian facilities could set back Tehran's nuclear program that U.S. officials have said appears on track to build nuclear arms in a period of as little as two years.

The United Arab Emirates is the union of seven Arabian Peninsula emirates, with a historically weak federal government based in Abu Dhabi. The emirate of Dubai has been a banking center for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and was used as a major transshipment point for the cover nuclear-supplier network headed by Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan that supplied nuclear technology to Libya, Iran and North Korea.

Mr. al-Otaiba said that his country would be the last Arab country to cut a deal with Iran, if Tehran were to go nuclear. But he predicted other wealthy Arab states in the Gulf would dump their alliances with the U.S. in favor of ties with Tehran if President Obama does not stop the Islamic republic's quest to become a nuclear power.

"There are many countries in the region that if they lack assurance that the U.S. is willing to confront Iran, they will start running for cover with Iran," he said. "Small, rich, vulnerable countries do not want to stick their finger in the big boy's eye if they do not have the backing of the United States."

The ambassador also said that "talk of containment and deterrence really concerns me and makes me very nervous."

He said Iran has not been deterred from supporting terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah now, when it doesn't have a nuclear arsenal. So why, he asked rhetorically, would Iran be more cautious in its support for terrorism if it did.

"Why should I be led to believe that deterrence and containment will work?" he asked.

Mr. al-Otaiba also said that an Iranian acquisition would set off a nuclear arms race in the region, predicting that Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Turkey would all start nuclear programs if Iran acquired such weapons.

He said however that the U.A.E. would not seek to transform its peaceful energy program into a military one in that situation.

The ambassador in the end stressed that his country would not tolerate a nuclear Iran.

"The United States may be able to live with it," he said. "We can't."
Oh Now they want us to get froggy. Bah.

Still I can understand where the Arabs are coming from here. The current elites might not be to the liking of Shiite, revolutionary Iran, who isn't known for it's abiding love of monarchy. Further more a nuclear Iran, feeling secure behind it's weapons might be tempted to expand operations leading to more proxy wars with Israel, the US and other states. Expect Arabs and Israelis to do most of the dying there. Not a fun prospect if you happen to be an Arab or an Israeli. There's also a lot of old rivilary going on here. The Arabs think they're special because they're the starters of Islam, while the Koran says everyone's equal, they still think of themselves has having special authority. The Persians on the flip side think of the Arabs as a bunch of barbaric come lately johnnies who got lucky once and then fucked it all up by backing the wrong Caliph so screw them. As any Persian would tell you, Persia was a center of art, culture and civilization when Arabs were just screaming camel fucker bandit tribes in the desert. Yeah, they don't like each other very much.

Frankly though guys? We are past the time where anything less then a full invasion would work. We could win an invasion, but it would be bloody. Look up the Iran-Iraq war and expect alot of that. Yes, parts of the population are unhappy but the regime still has plenty of supporters and just because you're upset with the scumbags in your government doesn't mean you'll back the next batch of invading foreigners. After all they may be scum bags but they're still your scumbags! With widely dispersed and fortified labs, all an air strike(assuming it was successful) would do is slow the Iranians down and lead to explosions of violence in Afghan and Iraq. The Juice would not be worth the Squeeze.

So what do we do? My thought is we should work to cut them off from Uranium *stares as Russia* and start figuring out ways to make the price of nuclear weapons to high to be worth to Iran. At the same time we gotta offer carrots to Iran's government. Frankly? I want them to open Iran up. It'll kill their government when their unhappy people get the full contact from the west. Which is kinda the reason why the Iranian government works so hard to keep isolated.

#2

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:30 pm
by Charon
Out of curiosity Frigid, what was your opinion on Turkey's and Brazil's attempt to deal with Iran and the US's reaction to the attempt?

As for the article, a lot of people happily forget that the Turks, Arabs, Persians, and Kurds usually do not get along with one another. We usually just stick them all into one big group of "Arabs". As for Iran, I agree for the most part. We have to keep them from getting nukes, but at the same time the more we push them the more closed and reactionary they get which pushes them closer towards wanting to get nukes. We're just going to have to deal with the fact that the best way to deal with this is to let the pot simmer and keep letting the Iranians themselves want to import Western ideals.

#3

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:08 pm
by frigidmagi
Out of curiosity Frigid, what was your opinion on Turkey's and Brazil's attempt to deal with Iran and the US's reaction to the attempt?
Well it's a short term fix at best. What it does is trade unenriched uranium for low enriched uranium that can be used for fuel but not bombs (some of you may recall that Brazil now has nuclear reactors, and built them quite recently, the US didn't care). The thing is Iran can just get more uranium and enrich that while using the stuff Brazil and Turkey give it for fuel. It would cost more for them to do and take longer though.

So I regard it as a good step and applaud Turkey and Brazil's effort but it's not fix to the problem.