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Simplicity itself. Simply assign your points to each of the categories until you run out. That'll give you the basis around which to write up the details of your nation.

Starting Points: 30

Population

0. 1 million
1. 30 millions
2. 60 millions
3. 90 millions
4. 120 millions
5. 150 millions

Home Territory

0: National Land Area of <20,000 sq. kms
1: National Land Area of >20,000 sq. kms
2: National Land Area of >200,000 sq. kms
3: National Land Area of >600,000 sq. kms
4: National Land Area of >2,000,000 sq. kms
5: National Land Area of >6,000,000 sq. kms

Colonial Territory

0: Nothing
1: Colonial Land Area of <200,000 sq. kms
2: Colonial Land Area of >200,000 sq. kms +1 population
3: Colonial Land Area of >600,000 sq. kms+ 1 to population+1 economy
4: Colonial Land Area of >1,000,000 sq. kms+2 to population +1 economy
5: Colonial Land Area of >2,000,000 sq. kms+2 to population,+2 economy


Industry

0: 30pts/3mo, size limit 10kt.
1: 60pts/3mo, size limit 20kt
2: 120pts/3mo, size limit 40kt (you need at least a total of 6 points in the following fields: population, infrastructure, economy and colonial possession)
3: 150pts/3mo, size limit 60kt (you need at least a total of 9 in the above-described fields) + 1 to a focus of your choice
4: 180pts/3mo, size limit 60kt (you need at least a total of 12 in the above-described fields with at least a 3 in population and a 3 in infrastructure) + 2 to a focus of your choice
5: 210pts/3mo, size limit 60kt (you need at least a total of 15 in the above-described fields with at least a 3 in population and a 4 in infrastructure) + 3 to a focus of your choice

Economy

0: No deficit in wartime allowed.
1: 25% deficit in wartime allowed
2: 50% deficit in wartime allowed
3: standard economy. 75% deficit in wartime allowed.
4: (you need at least a 3 in population for this) 100% deficit in wartime allowed
5: (you need at least a 3 in population and a 1 in colonial possessions for this) 125% deficit in wartime allowed

Infrastructure:

0: Your army is little faster than a walking pace because it continually has to stop and forage for food. Your airforce can barely keep a squadron in the air for lack of spare parts, and your navy is rusting in drydock because you aren't providing it any fuel.
1: Your supply and transport system is at the lowest functional level. 50% decrease in military readiness and response time.
2: Your supply and transport system is at the below-average functional level. 25% decrease in military readiness and response time.
3: Your supply and transport system is at the average functional level. Your response time is the baseline speed - which, naturally, is to be determined.
4: Your supply and transport system is at the above-average functional level. 25% increase in military readiness and response time.
5: Your supply and transport system is at the above-average functional level. 50% increase in military readiness and response time. You

Standing Military Limit:

0: 25% of standard forces. 175 points.
1. 50% of standard forces. 350 points.
2: 75% of standard forces. 525 points.
3: The standard for a typical nation. 700 points.
4: 125% of forces to spend - 1 to economy. 875 points.
5: 150% of standard forces - 2 to economy and - 1 to industry. At least a value of 3 in population and a 3 in economy needed. 1050 points.

Naval Focus:

0: You have your royal yacht and little else.
1: Total naval tonnage cannot exceed 20% of your points. Combined Industry/Economy level of 4 needed
2: Total naval tonnage cannot exceed 30% of your points. Combined Industry/Economy level of 6 needed
3: Total naval tonnage cannot exceed 40% of your points. Combined Industry/Economy level of 8 needed
4: Total naval tonnage cannot exceed 50% of your points. Combined Industry/Economy level of 8 needed
5: Total naval tonnage cannot exceed 60% of your points. Combined industry/economy level of 10 needed

(Note: A capital ship is defined as being anything larger than fifteen thousand tons displacement. Placeholder tonnages until we can make sure of the limits we want. Shipyard statistics may also be added.)

Army Focus:

0: You have only your royal guard.
1: Your standing army is 10% of your points.
2: Your standing army is 20% of your points.
3: Your standing army is 30% of your points.
4: Your standing army is 40% of your points.
5: Your standing army is 50% of your points.

NOTE: You also have reserves. These are:
if Economy + Infrastructure = 10 points, then they are 20% of your population
if Economy + Infrastructure = 9 points, then they are 18% of your population.
(scales down to....)
If Economy + Infrastructure = 1 point, then they are 2% of your population.

Air Focus:

0: You refuse to embrace these ridiculous flying contraptions.
1: Your air force is 10% of your points.
2: Your air force is 20% of your points.
3: Your air force is 30% of your points.
4: Your air force is 40% of your points.
5: Your air force is 50% of your points.

Units:

Foot Infantry Division - 5pts (10,000 men)
Guards Infantry Division - 15pts (10,000 men)
Motorized Infantry Division- 15pts (5,000 men)
Cavalry Division - 10pts (5,000 men and 5,000 horse)
Tank Division - 20pts (200 tanks)

Attachments:

Artillery Regiment - 3pts (100 howitzers)
Siege Artillery Regiment - 5pts (20 heavy howitzers or 10 rail guns)
Engineer Regiment - 3pts (2000 engineers)
Guards Regiment - 3pts (2000 guardsmen)
AAA/AT regiment 3pts (100 guns)
Light Tank Regiment 5pts (50 tanks)
Heavy Tank Regiment 5pts (50 tanks)

10pts 1 wing of 20 monowing planes
15pts 1 wing of 20 2 engine bombers (1,200 pd bombload)
20pts 1 wing of 20 armored zepplins (8,000 pd bombload or 3 monowing planes)

-Navy (Escorts may have one upgrade, Cruisers may have two, Battleships may have three, Submarines cannot have any upgrades, a positive upgrade makes the effective increase one step better, and a negative attribute makes it one step worse. No single attribute can be lowered more than twice through upgrades. Battleships can opt to have no penalties for their upgrades, but pay double cost)

Escort: 20pt (Speed: High, Armor: Low, Attack: Low)
Cruiser: 50pt (Speed: Medium, Armor: Medium, Attack: Medium)
Battleship: 120pt (Speed: Low, Armor: High, Attack: High)
Submarines: 30pt (Speed: Medium, Armor: Low, Attack: Medium, Can only be attacked with +sub attack options and other submarines)

Carrier versions of cruiser and battleship can be opted for instead, with carriers able to carry 48, and 96 fighters depending on size. Carriers have very low attack and very low armor. Wings are purchased separately.

Upgrades:
Scout Vessel 5pt (+speed, -armor or weapons)
Anti-Air 5pt (+AA function)
Anti-Sub 10pt (+Sonar, -Attack vs. surface and air, +attack vs. submerged vessels)
Anti-Capital 15pt (+weapons, -speed or armor)
Reinforced Bulkheads 10pt (+armor, -speed or weapons)

Carrier Wings (Cannot use upgrade options from Air Force):
Interceptor (12 Fighters) (5pt)
Torpedo Bombers (12 Fighters) (10pt)
Escort/Recon (12 Fighters) (7pt)

frigidmagi wrote:It's 1910. I can say with stern authority no one has figured out how to build a nuclear reactor.

Someone could very well figure out how to in future decades, but not anytime soon.

Slacker wrote:It's 1901, correct?

Steve wrote:Granted, that was primarily because Britain rushed Dreadnaught into completion, even taking guns meant for Lord Nelson.

Hadrianvs wrote:

Steve wrote:Granted, that was primarily because Britain rushed Dreadnaught into completion, even taking guns meant for Lord Nelson.

If the Japanese had not been too broke from the recent war to buy high calibre guns, the Satsuma would have been launched as an ABG BB before Dreadnought was, even with the British cheating.

[04:10] magithis: I am wondering how we'll do combat but man I don't want this to turn into risk.
[04:12] sbbigsteve: Well, I suggest the following.
[04:12] sbbigsteve: A) The players can, if they want, determine the combat outcome by mutual agreement.
[04:13] sbbigsteve: B) Failing this, the two players provide the mod with their forces, dispositions, and commanders w/ personality traits of, at the very least, the senior leadership. The mod then decides who wins.
[04:13] sbbigsteve: THe mod taking into account opposing forces' capabilities, size, and positions, as well as leadership, area terrain, and intangible factors.
[04:14] sbbigsteve: C) If the mod can't be sure who wins..... your pick. Coin toss or having the two players play rock-paper-scissors via PM?
[04:14] magithis: Go ahead and post it, but it sounds workable to me.
[04:32] sbbigsteve: Also, a recommendation on improvement system, posted at SDN: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 1#p3193711
[04:35] magithis: Hrm.
[04:38] sbbigsteve: I recognize it realistically takes years to do these things.
[04:38] sbbigsteve: It took Japan decades to fully industrialize and they weren't capable of buidling their own large caliber naval guns until around WWI.
[04:39] magithis: There are a few things we need to consider. Can you boast an attribute past 5? Do you have to spend points to keep attributes at their current level? Can you go down a level?
[04:52] sbbigsteve: I'm talking such with Fin now.
[04:52] sbbigsteve: I'd like to think 5 is the max, but that's not entirely logical. Though maybe we mandate a 5 year period before permitting any 5s to hit 6.
[04:52] sbbigsteve: Or even to be invested in.
[04:52] magithis: There should be a hard max however.
[04:53] sbbigsteve: Alternatively, the category points only count at game start.
[04:53] sbbigsteve: Ecomomic growth comes from natural processes reflected in-game, industry grows with economy or faster if the player invests industrial points.
[04:53] sbbigsteve: Admittedly I want to be simpler than this on SDN, but LibArc has more dedicated gamers.
[04:54] sbbigsteve: Who won't mind number-crunching.
[04:54] sbbigsteve: I'd say that 5 should be the max on the three Focus scores.
[04:54] sbbigsteve: Because they reflect sophistication and support for a military service, not a raw number.
[04:54] magithis: Works for me.
[04:55] sbbigsteve: Quantifying Army beyond number of troops hasn't really happened yet.
[04:55] sbbigsteve: I suppose you could accept Hotfoot's idea of expanding the categories and adding 3 points per.
[04:56] sbbigsteve: Then we could have a category for R&D, specific things like Gun Technology, etc.
[04:56] sbbigsteve: If you want a more fine-tuned things.
[04:56] sbbigsteve: Naval Focus would add a natural +2 or +3 to Gun Tech then to reflect that a powerful Navy uses powerful guns.
[04:57] magithis: I'm waiting to see everyone's thoughts.
[05:05] sbbigsteve: Well, one thing to consider....
[05:05] sbbigsteve: We're starting in 1910 right?
[05:05] magithis: Yes.
[05:05] sbbigsteve: Even that late.... I don't think Air Focus is quite so good a category.
[05:06] sbbigsteve: Though... granted, let's see Nit's proposal first.
[05:06] sbbigsteve: I'd say Nit, if he gets what he wants, is a solid 5 in AirF.
[05:06] sbbigsteve: If Nit's proposal is accepted than yes, we need air Focus.
[05:07] magithis: Zepplins. Plus bi planes are being used. The US used bi planes during the hunt for Pacho Villa.
[05:09] magithis: Hell, I can say pretty factually that a zepplin can carry 600 pounds of bombs for sure. That's not bad really. Nothing compared to a B-29 though but eh.
[05:14] sbbigsteve: Well, what I was thinking was that air forces aren't so big that Air Focus could be easily spread among available points.
[05:14] sbbigsteve: I mean, if an Air Focus of 5 gives you 30 biplanes and 20 zeppelins, is it worth sinking two extra points into?
[05:15] magithis: I would prefer to leave it in place. I'm pretty Cat has plans for that to.
[05:15] magithis: Still like I said, post the suggestion in the rules threads and if enough people agree then that's what we'll do.
[05:16] sbbigsteve: Hrm, can I be lazy and just post this IM convo? :-p
[05:17] magithis: Sure.

The Cleric wrote:Infrastructure seems awfully bland to just be affecting deployment. No bonus for econ at higher levels?

Paul Kennedy wrote:But the impressive rise of in Russian arms output, and indeed overall industrial and agricultural production, during the first two and a half years of the war greatly strainied the inadequate transport system, which in any case was finding it hard to cope with the shipment of troops, fodder for the cavalry, and so on. Shell stocks therfore accumulated miles from the front; food stuffs could not be transported to the deficit areas, especially in the cities; Allied supplies lay for months on the harbordsides and Murmansk and Archangel.