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The Archbishop of Canterbury is embarking on a last-ditch effort to persuade the US Anglican Church to end the ordination of gay bishops.

Dr Rowan Williams has two days to convince American bishops meeting in New Orleans to comply with the demands.

He has previously warned that the Anglican Church risks being torn apart by the row over gay clergy.

The dispute was prompted by the US Episcopal Church's ordination of an openly gay bishop in 2003.

'Deeply unpalatable'

The Episcopal Church is the American wing of the 77 million-strong Anglican Communion.

It has been told it will lose its full membership of the Communion unless it agrees to end the ordination of gay bishops and the blessing of same-sex relationships.

It also has to agree to set up a self-governing enclave for traditionalists before the 30 September deadline.

Gene Robinson
The ordination of gay Bishop Gene Robinson divided Anglicans

The BBC's religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott said the dispute has proved so "devastating" because it hinged on fundamental differences of how strictly the bible should be interpreted.

He described the demands being made on the Episcopal Church as "deeply unpalatable" for them.

Speaking in April, Dr Williams said: "It's not just about nice people who want to include gay and lesbian Christians, and nasty people who want not to include them.

"The question is, really, 'What are the forms of behaviour that the Church has the freedom or the authority to bless if it wants to be faithful to scripture and tradition?'

"That's the question which is tearing us apart at the moment."
Schism! Schism! Whooooooooo!

I for one welcome the US Anglicans to the ranks of protestants. Come join us, abandon your rituals and together we will end this pointless conflict and rule the galaxy together!!!

Oh wait a minute...
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Dr Rowan Williams has two days to convince American bishops meeting in New Orleans to comply with the demands.
Hahaha! The only way that could be better in terms of meeting in a city of 'debauchery' would be if they went to San Fran.

Anyway, yeah, schisms are awesome. Hey American Catholics, you're next. :grin:
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Ah, Protestant schisms...

What's the fastest way to break up a Baptist congregation? Change the carpet.

And so on and so forth.

EDIT: Bah, what I really wanted to say was that I wouldn't want to be a part of a church that was increasingly being controlled by the lunatic African branch. Those churches make even stereotypical Southern Baptists look sane sometimes. Breaking away is a rather smart move to keep from alienating their own base.
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US Anglicans agree to halt gay bishop ordinations

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NEW ORLEANS, United States (AFP) — The US Episcopal Church has agreed to halt ordination of gay bishops and the blessing of same-sex unions, straining to try to prevent a painful split in the global Anglican Communion.

The church leaders who bowed to international pressure on those issues, however, also vowed late Tuesday to continue to fight for the recognition of the civil rights of homosexuals.

"I have no doubt that the General Convention (in 2009) will revisit these issues," said Presiding Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori.

The more liberal stance of the Episcopalian leadership has divided congregations within the United States and threatened a split within the 77 million-member worldwide communion.

"This resolution really is the result of finding common ground to stand on," Jefferts Schori added. "Not everyone was 100-percent happy with every word in this document, as you might imagine. But together we believe that we have found a place that all of us can stand together."

Tuesday's decision came just days before a deadline imposed by global leaders who had threatened that relations would be "damaged at best" if the US church did not reverse its liberal stance on homosexuality and followed two days of crisis talks with Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams.

The leaders of the 2.3 million US Episcopalians said they made the decision "with the hope of mending the tear in the fabric" of the communion.

"We all hope that our sacrificial actions and our united actions at this meeting once again demonstrate to the wider communion that we treasure our membership and we treasure the other members of the Anglican community," Jefferts Schori said at a press conference.

The Episcopal House of Bishops reaffirmed its decision to "exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration of any candidate to the episcopate whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church and will lead to further strains on communion."

The church leaders also pledged "not to authorize or use in our dioceses any public rites of blessing of same-sex unions until a broader consensus emerges in the Communion or until (the) General Convention takes further action."

But it was not clear whether clergy would be allowed to carry out unauthorized blessings of same-sex unions.

The statement meant to clarify the church's position noted that clergy have a pastoral duty to "respond with love and understanding to the people of all sexual orientations... (and) maintain a breadth of private responses to situations of individual pastoral care."

Tom Shaw, the bishop of Massachusetts, indicated that same-sex blessings might continue.

"Coming from a state, the only state, that has marriage equality in the United States, I am especially pleased for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters in the church that we included the statement by the primates where they said that if there were personal, pastoral reasons for the blessing of same-sex unions that was something that was understood," he said at a press conference.

The Anglican church has been divided since Gene Robinson, an openly gay priest, was elected as bishop of New Hampshire four years ago, outraging traditionalists, particularly in Africa.

Tensions were further heightened last year when the Episcopal Church elected Jefferts Schori, a woman, as its leader.

A summit of worldwide Anglican leaders who met in Tanzania in February agreed that the Episcopal Church must unequivocally bar official blessings of same-sex unions and the consecration of openly gay bishops.

Conservative US clergy who disagree with the Episcopal Church approach to gays have recently been consecrated to African bishoprics to allow them to minister to traditionalists in the US church.

The Episcopal House of Bishops on Tuesday called for "an immediate end to diocesan incursions by uninvited bishops" and said it would care for the spiritual needs of its more conservative constituents by offering "episcopal visitors for dioceses that request alternative oversight."

"The church needs to respond strongly to block that," Chicago Bishop William Persell said. "If we don't, it will cease to operate successfully as a hierarchical church."

It also issued a strongly worded pledge to protect the civil rights of homosexuals and opposed "actions or policies that does violence to them, encourages violence towards them or violates their dignity as children of God." The bishops said it was their "fervent hope" that Robinson, the gay bishop whose appointment ignited the tensions, would be allowed to participate fully in the communion's most important meeting, the Lambeth Conference next year.
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On the Other Hand My Young Lady!
Bishops of the Episcopal Church in the United States have bowed to pressure and taken what they call "sacrificial action" over their approach to homosexuality, in order to remain fully part of the Anglican Communion.

But while Episcopalians have been debating the issue a cuckoo has hatched in their nest, and shows every sign of wanting to displace them as the official Anglican Church in America.

All Saints' in Woodbridge, Virginia, will never see a service like it again.

It was conducted last Sunday in a clearing in the woods at the end of a winding path, and concluded with frenzied digging in dusty soil with a dozen heavy shovels.

This traditionalist congregation - one of 20 to leave the Episcopal Church for the Church of Uganda - was breaking the ground on the site of its ambitious new building.

Uncertain future

Although they have raised more than $2m (£1m) to develop the 28-acre site, they will eventually need twice that sum. It is a triumph of hope over uncertainty.

In that respect All Saints' move from its smart modern building in Woodbridge, to its new site next to a shopping mall just off the Interstate 95 is a model for the journey the wider conservative Anglican community in America is making - taking the Episcopal Church into an uncertain future.

The traditionalists claim to number some 200 parishes with more planning to join them, but they represent a tiny proportion of the Episcopal Church.

Most are likely to have to find new church buildings to meet in, and money to pay their clergy.

But they do have the backing of large swathes of the Anglican Communion, especially the conservative African Churches which have been trying to expel the Episcopal Church from the Anglican Communion since its ordination four years ago of the openly gay bishop Gene Robinson.

In February the leaders of the world's 38 independent Anglican Churches met in Tanzania and told the Episcopal Church it would have to promise not to ordain any more gay bishops or authorise the blessing of same-sex relationships in church services.

They also demanded an autonomous new church-body with its own presiding chief cleric as a home for traditionalists in America. They set a deadline of the end of September.

In what was reported to be a tense six-day meeting of Episcopal bishops in New Orleans they got at least part of what they wanted.


Katherine Jefferts-Schori
We deplore incursions into our jurisdictions by uninvited bishops and call for them to end
Bishop Katherine Jefferts-Schori

After a plea for compromise from the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the bishops agreed to modify their policy towards homosexuality pretty much as requested.

Perhaps they hoped to isolate their harshest conservative critics in the Communion.

Perhaps they reasoned that they were merely confirming a resolution already made by the Church's ruling General Convention.

But there was no agreement to a new self-governing home for breakaway traditionalists.

Instead there was a waspish complaint from the presiding bishop, Katharine Jefferts-Schori:

"We deplore incursions into our jurisdictions by uninvited bishops and call for them to end," she said.

Splinter groups

But the damage may already have been done.

Seventeen bishops have already been ordained by a variety of African churches to lead splinter groups in the United States, and there are more on the way.

Rwanda has almost as many bishops in America as it does at home.

Martyn Minns (L) of the breakaway Convocation of Anglicans embraces the Archbishop of the Anglican Church of Nigeria Peter Jasper Akinola
Seventeen bishops have been ordained by African churches

And there is gathering momentum to unite into an independent new church and compete for recognition as the authentic voice of Anglicanism in the United States.

John Guernsey, ordained a bishop earlier this month in Uganda, presides over All Saints, and 32 other parishes.

He says a united traditionalist Anglican Church cannot come soon enough, and looks to their meeting in Pittsburgh to take a big step towards establishing it.

"Clearly we want to be fully unified as a biblical, missionary, Anglicanism that is one", he says.

"We certainly hope that the Anglican Communion will give recognition and standing to those who are holding to the teaching of the Communion here in America."


What's happening here in America is a warning to other churches that abandon orthodox Anglicanism
Bishop John Guernsey

If traditionalists succeed in creating such a cuckoo in the American nest, it will not just represent a parallel Anglican Church in the United States.

It could also sow the seeds of an alternative Communion, able to attract disgruntled conservative Anglicans from all over the world.

It would also set a powerful precedent for other divided Anglican Churches, including the Church of England.

If it works, how long might it be before an African archbishop ordains a bishop to minister to disenchanted traditionalists in England?

And this "alternative communion" would not look to England and the Archbishop of Canterbury for its focus and authority.

Inclusive

A few miles north of Woodbridge, in Washington DC, St Thomas' Episcopal Church was also celebrating Holy Communion.

St Thomas' believes that including all people in full membership of the church is the real message of the Bible.


Jesus says a lot about being inclusive, but as far as I know, Jesus never... never talked about homosexuality
Timothy Mahoney

Sixty per cent of the congregation is gay. It includes couples such as David Jolliffe and Timothy Mahoney, who have adopted a son and are bringing him up as an Episcopalian.

"If you look at the Bible, Jesus says a lot about being inclusive, but as far as I know, Jesus never... never talked about homosexuality," Mr Mahoney says.

He says being a member of the Anglican Communion is important to him, but adds "I'll go on being a member of the Episcopal Church whether or not it's part of the Communion".

The concessions made by Episcopal bishops in New Orleans seem to make an early exit from the Communion less likely.

But they may soon have to share their territory with another church, small perhaps, and even initially odd in its appearance, but one that is likely to be recognised as authentically Anglican by influential and populous conservative churches in Africa and elsewhere.

Nurtured from afar, this cuckoo in the American nest may have an effect beyond its modest size.

Bishop John Guernsey put it this way: "What's happening here in America is a warning to other churches that abandon orthodox Anglicanism... what's happened here could happen anywhere."
Nothing can stop an American Schism! You know what they say, everytime a proto-Catholic church schism, we protestants have a keg party and someone gets laid.
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