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#1 Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:58 pm
by frigidmagi
Yahoo
A group of atheists unveiled a monument to their nonbelief in God on Saturday to sit alongside a granite slab that lists the Ten Commandments in front of the Bradford County courthouse.

As a small group of protesters blasted Christian country music and waved "Honk for Jesus" signs, the atheists celebrated what they believe is the first atheist monument allowed on government property in the United States.

"When you look at this monument, the first thing you will notice is that it has a function. Atheists are about the real and the physical, so we selected to place this monument in the form of a bench," said David Silverman, president of American Atheists.

It also serves another function — a counter to the religious monument that the New Jersey-based group wanted removed. It's a case of if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

American Atheists sued to try to have the stone slab with the Ten Commandments taken away from the courthouse lawn in this rural, conservative north Florida town best known for the prison that confines death row inmates. The Community Men's Fellowship erected the monument in what's described as a free speech zone. During mediation on the case, the atheist group was told it could have its own monument, too.

"We're not going to let them do it without a counterpoint," Silverman said. "If we do it without a counterpoint, it's going to appear very strongly that the government actually endorses one religion over another, or — I should say — religion in general over non-religion."

About 200 people attended the unveiling. Most were supportive, though there were protesters, including a group from Florida League of the South that had signs that said "Yankees Go Home."

"We reject outsiders coming to Florida — especially from outside what we refer to as the Bible Belt — and trying to remake us in their own image," said Michael Tubbs, state chairman of the Florida League of the South. "We do feel like it's a stick in the eye to the Christian people of Florida to have these outsiders come down here with their money and their leadership and promote their outside values here."

After a cover was taken off the 1,500-pound granite bench Saturday, people rushed to have their pictures taken on it. The bench has quotes from Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the founder of American Atheists. It also has a list of Old Testament punishments for violating the Ten Commandments, including death and stoning.

"Some people think it's an attack simply by us exerting our existence. They put a monument on a public lawn that, if you put it in context, says atheists should be killed," Silverman said. "It is an attack, but it's an attack on Christian privilege, not an attack on Christians themselves, and not so much an attack on Christianity."

At one point someone in a car driving by tossed a toilet seat and a roll of toilet paper at the crowd. Neither struck anyone. At another point, Eric Hovind, 35, of Pensacola jumped atop the peak of the monument and shouted his thanks to the atheists for giving him a platform to declare Jesus is real. Atheists shouted at him, and he stepped down after about a minute. One man yelled that religion is a fairy tale.

"The problem is it's not a fairy tale," Hovind said. "We definitely have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion."

Hovind and Tubbs did say they respect the right of the group to install the monument, even if they disagree with the message behind it.

And the atheists said they expected protesters.

"There always are," said Rick Wingrove, the director of a Washington D.C.-area office of American Atheists. "We protests their events, they protests our events. As long as everybody's cordial and let people speak. This is our day, not theirs. We're fine with them being here."

A call to the group that sponsored the Ten Commandments monument, the Community Men's Fellowship, wasn't returned. But the group gave Facebook updates on the legal battle with the American Atheists and praised the compromise that allowed them to keep their monument.

"We want you all to remember that this issue was won on the basis of this being a free speech issue, so don't be alarmed when the American Atheists want to erect their own sign or monument. It's their right. As for us, we will continue to honor the Lord and that's what matters," the group posted.

While Silverman said he believes religion is wrong and teachings in the Bible are violent, he said he welcomes non-Christian religions to follow the atheists' example and put in their own monuments in free-speech zones.

"I will back them because it will be their right," he said. "This is one of the tricks that Christians have used, because they go up and call it a free-speech zone and then they're unopposed. They get their government legitimization because nobody else calls their bluff and puts something in."
You know, I was set to have my hackles up over this. My understanding is that the Supreme Court said no damn monuments. If I can't slap anything up, neither should you be allowed to do so. But, given that some clearly shady stuff has happened here and there's a 10 Commandments monument up (seriously, why is it always the 10 commandments? Isn't that more of a Jewish thing? Wouldn't an open grave or some Jesus qoutes, maybe with a dove statue be more... Never mind I'm rambling)...

What's good for the goose is good for the gander after all. If Christians are slapping up monuments then we should learn to grit our teeth and let the Atheists do it to. It's only fair. Do Unto Others after all. So I'm gonna have to support the Atheists in this one.

That said... Guys this is your first real public monument in America... A bench? An Ugly one at that? Really? Should have spiced it up bro.

#2 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:26 pm
by Josh
I think this is a silly slapfight to get into that kind of puts atheists at the same level as the political religious element, but c'mon man... that bench doesn't look that bad.

I'd totally park my ass on it.

#3 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:51 pm
by Batman
A backrest would've been a nice touch and being stone bench it's bound to no be very comfortable, but ugly, it's not.

#4 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:40 pm
by Josh
I'll have you know that I've slept on more than one stone bench and it made me the man I am today.

#5 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:25 pm
by Batman
And seeing my parents shot dead in front of me at age 8 made me the man I am today. That doesn't automatically make it a good thing.

#6 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:31 am
by Comrade Tortoise
Stone benches are fairly common monuments in terms of monuments that serve some sort of function. It is either that, or an Atheist drinking fountain, or perhaps even... a Gazebo.

That said, I have been waiting for something like this for a while. The supreme court has ruled that these sorts of monuments are illegal, over and over again. Yet, they keep cropping up. Like cockroaches, they refuse to die. In this case, legal shenaningens was used to designate the area a free speech zone specifically so that the Ten Commandments monument could be placed (as I recall), without technically being in violation of prior SCOTUS rulings. Therefore... what is good for the goose.

In all honesty, I am waiting for a muslim group to put a statue of Mohammed up on public property at some point, just to see the christians (present company excluded, Frigid) HOWL about their religious freedom being violated, then see them effectively arguing against themselves in court. That would be awesome.

#7 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:45 am
by Josh
I don't think they do statues of the Big Mo, Ben.

But they do have bitchin' calligraphy.

#8 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:33 pm
by Comrade Tortoise
Josh wrote:I don't think they do statues of the Big Mo, Ben.

But they do have bitchin' calligraphy.
No they dont, and yes. Yes yes they do. Maybe a large stone tablet with the Adhan written on it.

#9 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:23 pm
by frigidmagi
I could totally get behind a nice Gazebo with Arabic Calligraphy and mosaic artwork.

#10 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:20 pm
by Josh
Image

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For my money it's the most beautiful written language going.

#11 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:08 am
by SirNitram
If I had the funds and lands for it, I'd go for a simple stone with a plaque of this quote.

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love. - Carl Sagan

#12 Re: Atheists unveil Fla monument near Ten Commandments

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:56 pm
by Josh
Kind of a tangent, but I've never felt small against the scale of the universe.

I mean, sure, it's freaking huge beyond what my mind can even begin to encompass, but to me that just means 'More shit to know, baby.'

The infinite is ours for the taking...