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#26 Re: We Survived

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I'll take the occasional bout of Nazism that essentially goes nowhere (and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if there were more Nazis in the US than there are in Germany) over a biannual natural catastrophe any day but they're your lives to complicate any way you see fit. :wink:

And yes, frigid-we noticed. We just don't understand it-especially as the disasters win by default. You are driven away-they succeed in making you run away. You stay-they succeed in ruining your shit. Win-win situation from the disaster's POV. :wink:

Not that I don't understand being attached to a place-I currently live about 2 kilometres away from the house I grew up in for Valen's sake. But I also never had to deal with weather like you lot do. Heck if there's been a power outage lasting more than half an hour in my life I can't remember it, a measly foot of snow on the ground makes traffic all but come to a standstill because it virtually never happens so nobody's prepared for it, and I can't recall we ever had a serious earthquake around here.
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Karrick wrote:I've had two different textbooks on environmental hazards and one generic introductory earth science textbook at this point. All three of them list Long Island, NY as one of the places that fall under the heading "Why the fuck do we allow people to build houses here?"
I'm reasonably certain that California at least has laws about building directly on top of fault lines. Stop people from literally building their houses on sand in a location that is constantly having its beaches eroded by storm surge (and frequently catastrophically so)? Perish the thought. [/rant]
NYC in general is a bad, bad place to live in terms of disaster issues. In the face of any sort of disaster, especially if the water supply is compromised, you have millions of people with very limited means of ingress/egress, especially as you have such a substantially large percentage of the population with no vehicles.

You have similar issues in the Bay Area and LA, though those are at least slightly mitigated by the fact that people do have more cars. However, that just means that you have bigger jams if you have a serious situation.

That's one issue that folks who advocate concentrated metropolitan living usually don't mention.

And Bats? One foot of snow ain't measly to a desert dweller like me. We had near to a foot last year in one go, which is the first time I ever saw that around here in my whole damn life.

We did sorta shut down for that, but fortunately it all melted off by two days later.
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Shit,the only reason WV is still having trouble is it was 3ft of wet, heavy snow pack. And that Nor'Eastner they're calling for is going to dump even MORE heavy wet snow on us.

I should have taken a picture when I was up at Ansted. No snow on the roads, piles and piles of it alongside. Snow still laying on the north side of houses, or anywhere there was heavy shadow. But Gauley Mountain was heavily snow-covered, even on the south-facing side.
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Batman wrote:I'll take the occasional bout of Nazism that essentially goes nowhere (and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if there were more Nazis in the US than there are in Germany) over a biannual natural catastrophe any day but they're your lives to complicate any way you see fit. :wink:
Number of people killed by natural disasters in San Francisco since 1900: 4-5,000

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Number of times an Earthquake has decided to murder all Jews within reach: 0

Number of times Nazis have decided to murder all Jews within reach: 1

I think I'll take my chances with the quakes, Bats. And I'm not sure how two earthquakes in a hundred and six years is "biannual".
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Batman wrote:I'll take the occasional bout of Nazism that essentially goes nowhere (and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if there were more Nazis in the US than there are in Germany) over a biannual natural catastrophe any day but they're your lives to complicate any way you see fit. :wink:
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In fairness, Havoc, an earthquake could easily decide to murder all Jews within reach and just be really bad at it. How could you tell?
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Cynical Cat wrote:
Batman wrote:I'll take the occasional bout of Nazism that essentially goes nowhere (and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if there were more Nazis in the US than there are in Germany) over a biannual natural catastrophe any day but they're your lives to complicate any way you see fit. :wink:
Of all the ways that exist to support choosing to live in Europe and you choose to lead with minimizing genocide? You should shut the fuck up.
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Okay, this is becoming not-funny. Let's talk about the moon where they juggle baby geese.

I'm serious. They take these goslings and...

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Cynical Cat wrote:Nice to see you back Karrick.
Thanks. Only sorta back, though. I'm betting no grid power until Friday. JCP&L has been a lot more communicative about how much nothing they've been doing to restore power in my town. Hotfoot's town's been getting all the work done, apparently.
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We're closer to Newark, they needed to make a firebreak for the looting. You're welcome, by the way. :razz:
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My Sandy experience. Now with actual sand!

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FEMA is a useless piece of shit

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TOTTENVILLE — They fly into disaster areas, but flee from raindrops.

FEMA disaster recovery centers in Hurricane Sandy-ravaged sections of the city that were supposed to provide assistance to hurricane victims went MIA Wednesday morning, posting signs saying that they were closed due to the approaching Nor'easter.

The temporary shuttering of the facilities, which help victims register for disaster relief, as well as city food distribution centers come even as many of those still reeling from the monster storm were not told that they had to leave the battered areas.

On Tuesday, Mayor Bloomberg said that residents in the low-lying portions of Staten Island and the Rockaways were advised to leave ahead of the nor'easter, which could hit the city with 60 mph gusts and several inches of rain Wednesday afternoon, but that the evacuation was not mandatory like the one issued for all of Zone A ahead of Sandy.

The move led residents of the storm-ravaged areas fuming.

"The storm is coming. We don't know how hard it's going to hit us," said Jenny Cartagena, 46, who found the FEMA center in Coney Island closed Wednesday. "I need some help now."

The city's food distribution centers, a lifeline for the thousands left without power, heat and water for more than a week, would only be operating until noon Wednesday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced.

In Staten Island, a printed paper sign taped to the front door of on the center at 6581 Hylan Blvd. at 10:30 a.m. read “FEMA Center Closed Due to Weather.”

The front doors of the disaster recovery center, which is housed inside the Mount Lorretto Catholic Youth Organization, were unlocked, but there was no staff anywhere in sight for at least a half an hour.

And a set of buses which served as a pair of warming centers at the site for the past several days were missing, according to non-FEMA volunteers who continued to hand out supplies from a nearby building despite the storm.

Volunteers at a nearby donation distribution center said the buses vanished on Wednesday.

“FEMA packed up and left,” said Louis Giraldi, 47, a volunteer handing out cleaning supplies to victims.

“We don’t know where they are, so there’s nothing here but us.”

The site is listed on FEMA's list of NYC recovery centers, and was supposed to be open from 8:30 a.m. to 8 p.m. Wednesday. The site was also included in the city's list of warming facilities supposed to open at 9 a.m. on Wednesday at the site.

A FEMA R/V also sat empty next to the recovery center.

A pair of FEMA workers alarmed by a reporter's camera came out of the building at 11 a.m. and took the sign down, saying the shelter would open at 12:30 p.m. Wednesday.

The worker declined to give his name and would not explain why the site was closed or why the buses were missing.

FEMA spokesman Carter Langston said that the mobile centers were shuttered and staff moved inland because they were not structurally sound enough to weather the storm, which could put their staff in danger.

"Because these are mobile centers, they were shut down for life safety," Langston said. "As soon as weather permits tomorrow, they’re going to be back in place [possibly by noon]."

The remaining five sites in the city — in Staten Island, Coney Island, the Rockaways and The Bronx — were also closed or in the process of shutting down.

In Coney Island, a sign written in red ink that was bleeding from the rain sat on a police barrier in the parking lot of Our Lady of Solace Shrine Church on West 17th Street and Mermaid Avenue.

"They didn't want to get their precious van wet," quipped a church volunteer.

Cartagena, an asthma sufferer, said she showed up to the site with her home health aide, Camilla Suriel, 49, and her son's grandfather, Nelson Otero, 72 expecting "at least water."

"Something, you know, help," she said.

Serkan Yalcin, whose apartment in Sheepshead Bay was wrecked by Sandy, had a friend drop him off there. He applied online for FEMA assistance last week, and came to the center today to follow up with an actual FEMA rep after his wife was not able to get through to reps.

"I would like to know if my application is in the system or not," he said. "Nobody has called or shown up."

The situation was similar in Queens, where thousands remain without power more than a week after Sandy.

At the FEMA site on Rockaway Point Boulevard, near Barrett Street, a sign read: “Operations stop [Tuesday] at 4 p.m. Closed Wednesday 7 Nov.”

The plan was to move the tent on Rockaway Point Blvd. and Barrett to the 99th Regional Support Command Center for Army reservists there, but because the building had no power the move could not be made until Thursday, a rep for the command center said.

“If it’s going to be the same kind of storm as Hurricane Sandy, it’s going to be very difficult to operate, especially inside a tent like this one,” said Army Sgt. First Class Francisco Soriano, who was on scene.

Another location that was listed on FEMA's website on Beach 116th Street and Beach Channel Drive, showed no signs of the agency's presence.

At the city's Miller Field Distribution Center on New Dorp Lane in Staten Island, which houses a mobile FEMA disaster recovery center was also shutting down on Wednesday morning, a police car blocked the entrance at 11:35 a.m.

A cop said that officials were evacuating it because of the storm.
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Smooth. There seems to be alot of politics in the relief efforts from what you're showing us F'galkin. Do you think so or am I reading things that aren't there?
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They probably need a much harsher training cycle to keep them prepped. Shit's useless if it's joke-ass training.
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frigidmagi wrote:Smooth. There seems to be alot of politics in the relief efforts from what you're showing us F'galkin. Do you think so or am I reading things that aren't there?
If by that you mean, whether aid is distributed according to party affiliation, then no. It is distributed by class. Anyone who lives in Manhattan or the nice parts of Brooklyn already has their power restored, and the area cleaned of all debris. Wall Street, by the way, had power back on Wednesday, days before the rest of Lower Manhattan.

By contrast, the areas that are ignored all tend to be poor. Low-income housing is the worst. This NYT article details it nicely. Basically, people there have no food, no water, no power. Those who can walk up and down 10-20 stories by pitch-black stairways gather ocean water to flush clogged toilets. Those who cannot, go in these same stairways. Since a lot of these building house senior citizens, that number is very large.

The government relief effort often is nonexistent, or does more harm than good when it does arrive. For example, The National Guard showed up on Sunday at the Shorefront Y where I was volunteering, distributing water, MREs, kosher sandwiches diapers, and blankets. We were distributing organic groceries from the same spot the day before. To get to the distribution point, they passed two open supermarkets.

I can understand blankets, as the nights are getting cold. But MREs? It's been a week, anyone in the area who had been genuinely starving wouldn't be standing in line for hours.

They also prevented us from unloading our own truck that would have gone to housebound seniors who cannot leave their apartments since their buildings lack power and the elevators don't work.

Meanwhile, less than a mile to the west, in the predominantly black area outside of Seagate, all the stores were closed and the only source of hot food was a tent staffed by non-governmental volunteers. No government relief effort ever reached them. The situation is even worse in the Rockaways, which, in addition to being fairly poor, is also isolated and suffered extensive damage.

The only real source of releif to these areas was a grassroots effort by various local organizations, community centers, etc. The Occupy movement has been invaluable, being pretty much the sole relief effort ghettos like Red Hook. Their resources are limited, but every bit helps.

Having been involved in it myself, I have to say that these are amazing, brave people, who are going into areas that trained disaster responders and National Guardsmen fear to tread, and staying there even after they bravely run away (see the article above). At least until dark, that is. After that, it's the law of the jungle. Even the cops are afraid to patrol these areas.

Meanwhile, the city's army of some 8000 volunteers is cleaning up parks in Mahnattan. Fucking PARKS.

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f by that you mean, whether aid is distributed according to party affiliation, then no. It is distributed by class.
That's actually what I mean though, sorry I didn't explain it very well. Look these days money is more important than political loyality, especially for local government types who can't count on lots of donations. Basically, I'm wondering if the aide is going to those who can donate more to a reelection campaign.

Or am I reading too much into it and this is just a fuck the poor thing?
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Bloomberg is the richest man in New York, who financed his campaigns out of his own money, to avoid spending caps (I believe he spent over $100 million on the last one). Plus, he is not running for re-elction now.

The problem is that he, and others in the city administration, simply don't give a fuck.

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Hrmph. So I am reading it wrong. Man, that just makes this pure bullfuckery. Not that ignoring the poor in the name of politics is okay, but at least there's a rational (if fucked up) reason.

This sucks hardcore.
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frigidmagi wrote:Hrmph. So I am reading it wrong. Man, that just makes this pure bullfuckery. Not that ignoring the poor in the name of politics is okay, but at least there's a rational (if fucked up) reason.

This sucks hardcore.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/liv ... -1.1197748
For more than a week, hundreds of public housing tenants — mostly ailing or elderly — have been trapped inside their upper-floor apartments, waiting in vain for the return of elevators, lights, heat and water.

They say they’ve yet to get help from NYCHA and, instead, are relying on a steady stream of volunteers for food, water and a glimmer of hope.

“Nobody from management has come up here,” said Jose Reyes, 57, who has left his 13th-floor apartment in the Red Hook Houses in Brooklyn only once over the last week. “It’s incredible that in the greatest nation in the world, this is happening here.”

As of Tuesday – eight days after Hurricane Sandy battered New York – 21,000 NYCHA residents in 114 buildings across Brooklyn, Queens and lower Manhattan were still without power.

In these developments, there are residents who are sick or too frail to negotiate the pitch-dark staircases that now serve as the only means of entry or exit until elevators are restored. Living high above the city, they survive without running water, and with toilets that don’t flush, refrigerators that don’t function and heat that seems to diminish each day as temperatures dip.

Reyes, who weighs 350 pounds, has osteoporosis and a weakened ankle from surgery that won’t allow him to schlep up and down 13 stories.

A Daily News reporter on Tuesday helped two of Reyes’ sisters, Marelnand Enily, drag a shopping cart full of water jugs and canned food up the unlucky 13 flights in total darkness. Urine pooled on one floor, and the load seemed heavier each step up.

Reyes fled his apartment on Sunday, and Sandy reached the first-floor windows of Red Hook West the following day. When Reyes returned two days later, fetid black water filled the basement of his building.

Since then, he’s remained in his cramped one-bedroom with only one two-hour break.

I went downstairs once to charge my phone. I stayed a couple of hours, looked around and went back up. I had to take painkillers and I’ve been here since.”

He can’t walk his rat terrier, Pinto, so the little dog uses a pad in the tiny living room to do his business. Reyes’ wife cooks meals from whatever is left over: “Spam, a little rice, canned food.” He drinks instant coffee and watches the tropical fish in an aquarium that no longer circulates swim slower and slower each day.

“I’m knowing about the outside world with this little transistor radio – battery operated, old school,” he says. In the dark at night, “I listen to 1010 WINS, cuddle up with the wife, reminisce about the old days.

“It’s amazing to think that with all this technology, they can’t resolve this,” he said.

Brooklyn City Councilman Stephen Levin grew frustrated Tuesday trying to get NYCHA to restore power to three buildings at the Gowanus Houses in Brooklyn. Con Ed was ready to turn it on, but a NYCHA contractor had yet to show up to finish repairing the authority’s electrical system that was damaged during the flood.

“The level of dysfunction and apathy from NYCHA to the tenants of NYCHA is shocking,” Levin said. “I can’t get an answer for the last three and a half hours. I get responses like, ‘We’re trying.’ ”

In a 10th-floor apartment at Gowanus, Daisy Torres needs an electronically powered respirator to help her breathe. Without power for the last eight days, “It’s been terrible.”

Her daughter, Wendy, 28, has spina bifida and uses a wheelchair, and her husband, Antonio, is confined to bed as he battles prostate cancer. The days since Sandy knocked out the power at Gowanus have been an endless nightmare.

“I feel liked we’re trapped in here,” she said. “We can’t do anything.”

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