Sci Fi Friday thread (spoilers, possible)

Destructionator XV · Post by **Destructionator XV** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:18 am

Mayabird wrote:A question: does the survivor count in the BSG credits go down in every episode?
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Yes, it does.

Destructionator XV · Post by **Destructionator XV** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:51 am

nBSG-

This episode was amazing. I know Zerrik's guy was going to buy it though, but I don't see it coming quite like that.

Baltar is being extremly mindfraked. I don't even know what is going on.

And in the tomb, I kept expecting Rings to come down and beam them away.. but instead they beam or something with no explanation at all. Weird.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:24 pm

Destructionator XV wrote:nBSG-

This episode was amazing. I know Zerrik's guy was going to buy it though, but I don't see it coming quite like that.

I knew his days were numbered when he and Zerrick had that little exchange "Oh thanks for helping me, my friend, where would I be without you?"

You might as well have painted a bull's eye on the guy's chest.

Baltar is being extremly mindfraked. I don't even know what is going on.

Baltar is a bitch, and deserves what he gets.

But I love him so.

And in the tomb, I kept expecting Rings to come down and beam them away.. but instead they beam or something with no explanation at all. Weird.

There was no explaination or mechanism given for what exactly occured. It could have been a time travelling teleporter, a holographic environment, or a psionic transmission.

In any case, does it really matter?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:26 pm

Oh, and I loved how there was a rapproachment of sorts between Adama and Roslyn. The whole 'we're still a family despite our differences' motif, which is a salient metaphor for the times.

Ra · Post by Ra » Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:58 pm

OH MY GOD THAT WAS INCREDIBLE!

Battlestar Galactica! It just keeps getting BETTER!

They even played the original theme song! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
- Ra

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:46 pm

Dualla got a first name, and so did Gaeta. But...Felix? FELIX?

Holy crap, I always thought that when Gaeta went off-duty he sat at a computer and did more work or read manuals or spied for the Cylons or something. And he's smoking and apparently gets so hammered he got a tattoo and is basically like "Fuck this job."

That's six human models now, right?

Ra · Post by Ra » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:13 pm

Yes. So far, I've counted;

Six
Boomer
PR Dude
Ragnar Dude
Doctor
Reporter Girl

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:11 pm

OK so Lucy Lawless is a Cylon. I knew I should stay out of threads I warned myself would contain spoilers...

I saw the Miniseries recently - fuck I love it - and at the end, Adama notices a scrap of paper on his books and reads it. It says something like "There are 12 cylon models. There a many copies."

Who gave him that note?

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:31 am

Stofsk wrote:OK so Lucy Lawless is a Cylon. I knew I should stay out of threads I warned myself would contain spoilers...

I saw the Miniseries recently - fuck I love it - and at the end, Adama notices a scrap of paper on his books and reads it. It says something like "There are 12 cylon models. There a many copies."

Who gave him that note?

Nobody knows. It just showed up. It'll probably become very important in, let's say, four seasons.

By the way, the Ragnar dude is Leobon. PR dude is Doral.

How long does Callie still have in the brig?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:38 am

Mayabird wrote:How long does Callie still have in the brig?

For murdering a POW, stealing a deadly weapon without authorisation, and endangering her fellow crew members through the reckless discharge of a firearm, I vote she stays in the brig and rots, whether she's pretty and cute notwithstanding.

Ra · Post by Ra » Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:13 am

Adama said 30 days, although I get a bad feeling it'll get worse once the crew begins to trust CapBoomer.

- Ra

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:41 pm

I know Adama said 30 days. I just don't know how long it's been since the last episode. Some go back-to-back and others have a (short) period between them. I think they said ten days without contact with the Cylons, but I can't remember how much time passed in the previous episodes to figure out how long it's been.

And yeah, I was wondering what would happen with Callie and CapBoomer.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:03 am

It seems some time has passed between this and the last Galactica episode since Cally is back again. However, I would have expected to see more changes in CapBoomer from her pregnancy by now, since I thought they would have a shorter gestation time.

And next week...PEGASUS!

And can you say "Jaffa Civil War"? I've been expecting something of the sort, but now it looks unavoidable. Great jorb there, exchanging one set of false gods for another. Though it still seemed unrealistic to me, since I would have expected some of them to want to do this for reasons of power (ally with the powerful folks) rather than suddenly all being true believers. A few I would expect to go for any crazy cult that pops up next ("I say you are Lord, and I should know. I've followed a few.") but the majority of the council suddenly saying "Let's make this our official religion"?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:28 pm

The Viper-Blackbird is intriguing. I get the sense that a lot of time passed in this episode, since they went from building up a frame to a fully made prototype. Either that, or the Chief doesn't sleep anymore (not that I would blame him, or any of them for that matter).

And goddamn it, what the hell was that bullshit with Apollo and Dee? Like hell, it's Apollo and Starbuck who are the item. Stupid red herring.

Ra · Post by Ra » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:48 pm

nBSG: Pegasus

That episode was great, good cliffhanger in the end, and a graphic insight into just what lengths they went to.

The crew of the Pegasus fucking scare me, especially Lt Torture and Adm Caine. Once again, a powerful episode that demonstrates that Humanity can be - and often is - its own worst enemy.

Yes, I thought Michelle Forbes was a wee bit young to play a flag officer, but she looked older than, say, Ensign Ro Laren, and she played the part VERY well despite any concerns one might have about her age. As I said above, the character gave me the chills. She's a great antagonist.

Pegasus; beautiful ship. Great to see a high-tech, modern Colonial vessel, too. Makes me lament and ponder about what the Colonial fleet would have been like pre-Genocide. And what the hell is that big Cylon ship? Hmm...
- Ra

EDIT: spelling

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:19 am

A few things to add about Pegasus.

First, why was Chief Tyrol so worried when he heard that Starbuck had taken the Blackbird? Was the Pegasus tech screwing around and making modifications that hadn't been completed?

I don't think Number Six was lying and making up her distress. It seemed like she honestly didn't know that she had a copy on Pegasus, and seeing her raped and tortured double there...well, even for a Cylon Plan that seems too much for even them to arrange for whatever schemes they may have.

Also, Adm. Cain's story doesn't check out. Since she has the shiny modern battlestar and probably the shiny new Vipers and all, why didn't they get wiped out by the virus, too? Have they just been joyriding around in their battlestar for the past who-knows-how-long time taking pictures but being too scared to do anything? Am I just tired and paranoid and that's why I'm seeing hints of cowardice?

Destructionator XV · Post by **Destructionator XV** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:27 am

JESUS H CHRIST THAT WAS AIRWOLF.

Amazing episode of nBSG, good episodes of SG-A. The new Cain is an evil bitch. The old one was much cooler, but damn is this good television. the music early on sucked, but it got MUCH better at the end: I want that ending song.

Adama getting his men back is Airwolf. The only sucky part about that will be Vipers wasting Vipers.

That rapist scum got what he deserved. Helo and Chief deserve a medal, not a bullet.

That one dude who was loling telling the story about how Cain shot her old XO in the head, god damn. She is the uberbitch.

Can't frakking wait for part 2.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:45 am

Mayabird wrote:Also, Adm. Cain's story doesn't check out. Since she has the shiny modern battlestar and probably the shiny new Vipers and all, why didn't they get wiped out by the virus, too?

They immediately jumped to a random location. Once there they could take stock of the situation, use Raptors (which are not vulnerable to Cylon viruses) to gather intelligence, and from there decide what to do.

Have they just been joyriding around in their battlestar for the past who-knows-how-long time taking pictures but being too scared to do anything? Am I just tired and paranoid and that's why I'm seeing hints of cowardice?

I don't think they're cowards. What can they strike with? They've been tracking a Cylon task force from a discrete distance but they're still outnumbered and outgunned.

There is bravery and then there is foolishness. Taking an unacceptable risk to ship and crew isn't brave.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:04 am

Apparently Pegasus was made with under 90 mins of footage with a lot that was cut, which would be cool to look at. I felt the episode ran too short, but that's because the pacing was so tight that it didn't give you a chance to stop and pause.

The decision to make Cain a female and eliminate the character of Sheba was an interesting one. As was making the Pegasus one of the newer, top of the line Battlestars. More departures from the original show, which I like (it shows that Neo-BSG is a different show and doing it's own thing, even if it has nods to the original mythos).

I like Adama so much. Both of 'em.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:14 am

After some conversation with DPDP, I concede that my assessment of "cowardace" was not quite the right word. (Anyway, I did not mean it involving the Cylon task force but the crew's actions, especially when off-duty.) While Adama is loyal to his people and wants to keep what he has, regardless of what that entails, Adm. Cain is full of herself and wants to remove any possible speedbumps that might possibly get in her way, and her crew is twisted around her finger. Anybody with the guts to stand up to her gets shot, so instead they go gang-rape Number Six. Meanwhile, having a crew that's fiercely loyal to Adama and not whipped to her liking means that the crew rosters have to be frakked with to break up any unified resistence to her. If they routinely disobey their own Old Man, what happens when Cain wants to take them all on a suicide mission?

And if this assessment of Cain is correct, she looks like a darker version of the original Cain, the cocky "living legend" who performed hit-and-run attacks on the Cylons and then got himself and the crew of the Pegasus killed in a probably stupid assault against the Cylons.

I also learned that there was a cut scene explaining how the Pegasus avoided the Cylon virus. So there was an actual reason in there somewhere, making my comment pointless.

Destructionator XV · Post by **Destructionator XV** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:34 am

Some facts about the original Cain:

He flew his own Viper on missions.
His crew loved him.
He honestly thought attacking a Cylon base was in the human's best interest. It would provide much fuel.
He was under Adama.

And the demise (or not?) of the Pegasus:
He took 2 basestars with him using giant missiles.
He evaced most his crew and supplies to the Galactica.
He may have kicked the cylon's asses and then jumped back to deep space.

The new Cain is indeed very differnet.

Comrade Tortoise · Post by **Comrade Tortoise** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:33 pm

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Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:06 pm

So anyway...

How do you think the situation will resolve itself between the Galactica and the Pegasus in January?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:50 pm

Stofsk wrote:So anyway...

How do you think the situation will resolve itself between the Galactica and the Pegasus in January?

I can see two possibilities off the top of my head;

1. The President gets between them (either figuratively or physically) and chideds the two like a mom does spoiled children. In which they back down and a 'civilian' court convines for Helo and Tyrol.

This gives an opening for Zarec and his cronnies to destroy the Roselyn administration, along with the news of the 'captured' Cylon. It also give the chance of various members of each battlestar to mingle and some to even 'switch sides' as it were.

2. Cylon's show up and instead of the Battlestars engaging each other, both turn to meet the new threat. This sets up an even bigger battle at the end with the Cylon taskforce, where the Pegesus is destroyed.

Ontop of all that, I'm betting by the end of the episode; Adama is promoted to 'Admiral' or 'Commander of the Fleet' or some such. Commadore? And some of Pegesus' crew survive and serve on the Galactica, but I don't know who.......

On the Pegesus; I love the design. It reminded me of a SW dreadnaught, and it seemed they heightened a BS instead of the usual width the ships sport.

I also noticed, durring the Admiral's tale, that she said there were (7?) ships in the Scorpion Shipyards, two Battlestars. *Conjecture* Is that a BSG (Battlestar Group)?

Admiral Cain is an Admiral, it makes little sense to have her just in charge of one Battlestar. And while it would seem a bit odd to put an entire BSG into drydock, it might be that they do since they do seem to have an entirely defensive fleet.

An eight ship taskforce with tree or so Battlestars, one of which is the Flagship for the BSG. That would leave five other ships for escort or support. It would have been fun to see what type of support or escorts they'd have and their TO&E in a taskforce.

Three escorts? That would make one escort per Battlestar. Leaving two other ships in the BSG. What would they be? Light carriers? Marine assult ships? Gunships or corvets type ships, pickets?

Impossible to tell, but damn it's interesting. And did I mention I love the Pegesus?

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