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#1 This man is crazy.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:34 pm
by rhoenix


This is a man, known by Jeb Corliss, who made himself a winged flightsuit and likes to test it by diving down cliffs.

The music for the video is awful, but the footage was pretty damn impressive.

#2

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:47 pm
by Batman
Not really (and you are so right about the for want of a better word music).
'Impressive' would have been for the thing to actually look real. It didn't. The contrails from something that would be for all practical purposes a glorified paraglider were something of a giveaway.
One also wonders where the camera would have been mounted, given I doubt any helicopter nor other paraglider could have kept station that precisely.

#3

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:56 pm
by rhoenix
Batman wrote:'Impressive' would have been for the thing to actually look real. It didn't. The contrails from something that would be for all practical purposes a glorified paraglider were something of a giveaway.
Yeah, it did look pretty awesome.
Batman wrote:One also wonders where the camera would have been mounted, given I doubt any helicopter nor other paraglider could have kept station that precisely.
On his back, according to his other video.

#4

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:17 pm
by Batman
Shall we discuss what that kind of camera placement would have done to his already less than favourable aerodynamics?

#5

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:29 pm
by rhoenix
Batman wrote:Shall we discuss what that kind of camera placement would have done to his already less than favourable aerodynamics?
I'll be blunt - I suggest you research your position carefully.

If you have hard, concrete evidence its all faked, then let's see it. If it adds up properly, I will concede that it is a fake.

If you go there however, and I locate concrete evidence that this is indeed the genuine article, then I will be forced to viciously mock you for making a flailing and emotional reaction instead of doing research for your position yourself.

Be forewarned - his name has many hits on Google.

#6

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:42 pm
by Batman
I bet my name gets tons more hits on Google than his does, and guess what-I'm made up. Be careful attaching too much importance to that.
As for the evidence-you first video has a guy in a glorified paraglider producing contrails.
You explain that and I'll look into it some more.

#7

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:55 am
by rhoenix
Batman wrote:I bet my name gets tons more hits on Google than his does, and guess what-I'm made up. Be careful attaching too much importance to that.
As for the evidence-you first video has a guy in a glorified paraglider producing contrails.
You explain that and I'll look into it some more.
No, I'm not going to do your work for you. You took the position of "it's a FAAAKE!", and now you get to back up your argument to prove it.

Or concede the debate you began, either way.

#8

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:38 am
by Hotfoot
Bats, grow up, if you're going to make a claim, back it up instead of expecting someone else to do your work. Wingsuits have been around for a while and have been around for general consumers for around a decade.

First off: the super-stable cameras, especially the one on the helmet? Mounted. Note that it stays stationary to the man's HEAD, the rest of his body flops around from the air pressure. Hell, pause the video at 0:48 or 2:09, you can SEE the camera mount on the helmet. It's small. As are the rest of the cameras on his body, which again, if you watch the video closely can be seen as he flops around. Would they affect aerodynamics? Sure, minutely, but nowhere near enough to, you know, cause actual trouble. Planes can fly at much higher rates of speed with bigger relative protrusions without incident. Given that he's at what could best be described as a barely controlled fall, aerodynamics are not his primary concern. It's not like he's going to stall out here, he has a parachute, you can't land a wingsuit safely without one after all.

Second: "Contrails" can form anywhere the air is cold enough and you have a vortex from lift. Having a source of relative heat to the cold air helps, but it's not entirely necessary. He's also at the top of a snowcapped mountain. You should be able to piece it together from there. Moreover, he's at the top of a snowcapped mountain and at some points no more than a few meters from the mountain itself, meaning in addition to the possible vortex, he may have captured some of the snow in the vortex behind him. Note that in none of the other videos did he have a contrail.

Before overtly declaring something fake for given reasons, you should make sure you've at least done basic fact-checking to see if those reasons are in fact, reasonable.

This isn't the 1980's anymore. Cameras and storage devices are small enough and durable enough to go on insane trips. People have been recording basejumps, skydives, wingsuits, gliders, and all that for years now, with multiple cameras all over one's body. I mean, we're talking really small sometimes. And when one is on a steel rod strapped tightly to your head, you know, like the steel rod we see in 0:38 of the video, that might be enough to keep the camera steady even when he's falling at about 30 mph and zipping forward at about 90 mph.

I mean honestly dude, this is just being silly. You type in wingsuits to Google, you look it up, you find dozens of videos, information from reliable sources, and so on. You educate yourself, then come to a conclusion, instead of lazily trolling a thread and claiming something is fake when you really have no experience with the subject whatsoever.

Jeb Corliss, by the way, is hardly a fraud. He had a show on the Discovery Channel for a while before he was arrested by the NYPD for attempting to BASE jump off of the Empire State Building. He's a freaking adrenaline junkie, but hardly a fraud.

Let me guess, next you'll tell me the Moon Landing is fake? :roll:

#9

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:20 am
by General Havoc
Yeah, I'm sorry, nothing I have read or seen from this video or the other links provided even remotely indicates that this is some sort of fake. Do you have any actual evidence for why you believe this is not real? Or are you trolling?