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The Irish Republic is willing to hold a second referendum on the EU's reform treaty if given certain guarantees by the EU, a spokesman has told the BBC.

Those legally binding guarantees are to be discussed by EU leaders at a summit in Brussels.

The Lisbon Treaty has been on ice since being rejected by Irish voters in June.

The summit is also due to take crucial decisions on EU measures to tackle climate change, and to consider an EU-wide economic stimulus plan.

Opening the meeting on Thursday French President Nicolas Sarkozy, chairing the summit, said he hoped his fellow leaders would be able to unite on a climate package.

"Europe must not provide the spectacle of its own division," he said.

'Anti-democratic'

The mechanism for a second referendum is included in draft conclusions which are being presented by the current holders of the EU presidency, France, and which have been seen by the BBC.

According to the draft, the Irish government says "it is committed to seeking ratification" of the Lisbon Treaty by end of October next year.

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An Irish government spokesman told the BBC that it was "seeking legally binding instruments to address the concerns of the Irish people", and that once it got those assurances, it would present "a roadmap for ratification", that would include another referendum.

The EU is set to offer guarantees that the treaty will not affect three main areas of concern to Irish "No" voters - abortion, Irish neutrality and taxation, says the BBC's Europe editor Mark Mardell.

Ireland is also likely to be able to keep its EU commissioner.

But Declan Ganley, the chairman of Libertas group, that led the No campaign in the first Irish referendum said this was an example of the Irish being dictated to.

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"Do we think that democracy is important in Europe or do we want to exist in some post-democratic environment where European affairs are concerned?" he said.

He also announced that his Libertas group would be standing on an anti-treaty platform across the EU during next year's parliamentary elections.

Credibility at stake

EU leaders will pore over and work on the summit conclusions before they are published on Friday.

They also face a major test of their willingness to tackle climate change, with a key agreement on cutting the EU's carbon pollution at stake.

Amid the economic downturn, Germany, Italy and Poland, among others, are fighting any deal that could cost jobs.

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20% increase in use of renewable energy by 2020
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Poland's Europe Minister Mikolaj Dowgielewicz said there would be long negotiations over the package, including Poland's proposal for a central "solidarity" fund to help poorer nations cope with CO2 measures.

"It's going to be a three or four-shirt summit. We've booked tickets for Sunday morning..." he told the BBC.

"There's a number of issues which are still open, everything from the financing of CCS [carbon storage] to the solidarity fund - this is still on the table... we don't really know what the compromise will be."

The "20-20-20" package, which also requires approval by the European Parliament to become law, commits the EU to cutting carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 20% by 2020, compared to 1990 levels, and to raising renewable sources to 20% of total energy use.

President Sarkozy is pushing hard to clinch a deal before he hands over the rotating presidency of the EU to the Czech Republic at the end of the year.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said: "It would be a real mistake for Europe to give the signal that we are watering down our position, after all these years leading the efforts for a global solution."

Also up for discussion is the EU's 200bn-euro (£175bn) economic stimulus plan.

With recession looming, there will be broad agreement on the EU-wide package to boost the economy, although Germany opposes calls from Britain and France to cut taxes, says the BBC's Oana Lungescu in Brussels.
You didn't give us the result we wanted, so you will vote again until you do it right!

Is this really democracy?
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Nope. Then again, it's about on-par with 'HERE IS THE SAME BALLOT INITIATIVE AS LAST TIME. YOU WILL GET IT UNTIL YOU CONCEDE TO ALMIGHTY GOD!'.
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Same deal with Quebec Separatists. No matter how many times they lose.
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They also claimed that it was undemocratic to allow the Irish to potentially veto the treaty since they are a nation of only 3.5 million people and the EU has almost half a billion. But the Irish were the only ones to allow a vote at all. Apparently it is more democratic for bureaucrats and governments to decide these things.
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Then again, it's about on-par with 'HERE IS THE SAME BALLOT INITIATIVE AS LAST TIME. YOU WILL GET IT UNTIL YOU CONCEDE TO ALMIGHTY GOD!'.
Same deal with Quebec Separatists. No matter how many times they lose.
Ironically Cat and Nitram use the examples I was prepped to use against people who disagreed. I was pissed to find an anti-gay marriage prop on my ballot in 2008, because I had already voted no in 2006. Enough already!
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