STGOD?
Moderator: B4UTRUST
- Academia Nut
- Adept
- Posts: 1333
- Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:52 am
- 16
- Contact:
#227
Oh yes, to the leader of the French, as a minor background detail, did your nation have a Louis XIV (or perhaps even more generally, some sort of charismatic autocratic leader in the mid to late 17th century)?
- The Cleric
- Thy Kingdom Come...
- Posts: 741
- Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:34 pm
- 19
- Location: The Right Hand Of GOD
- Contact:
#228
I don't see why not. I'm trying to find a way around the French Revolution though; or at least a way through the mess at the end of it.
@ Havoc. How does the existence of your empire effect Catholicism?
@ Havoc. How does the existence of your empire effect Catholicism?
Last edited by The Cleric on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
Never shall innocent blood be shed, yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river.
The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god.
The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god.
- Academia Nut
- Adept
- Posts: 1333
- Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:52 am
- 16
- Contact:
#229
Cool. Because I was thinking of having one of my Mughal Padshahs sending one of his sons or grandsons on a world tour in the late 17th century and the prince spending some time in the Sun King's court where he picks up a few tips and tricks on how to centralize authority.
As for the French Revolution, well, wasn't one of the big reasons for triggering it because the monarchy was nearly backrupt from excessive war making and thus they had to call in the Estates so that they could raise additional funds, which let a whole lot of issues break free? If maybe they didn't get into as many wars in the 18th century the French might not be in the same situation financially so they wouldn't need to let democracy get a foot in the door at the same time they were broke. Somehow deal with the issues more slowly instead of letting them erupt all at once in a violent revolution.
As for the French Revolution, well, wasn't one of the big reasons for triggering it because the monarchy was nearly backrupt from excessive war making and thus they had to call in the Estates so that they could raise additional funds, which let a whole lot of issues break free? If maybe they didn't get into as many wars in the 18th century the French might not be in the same situation financially so they wouldn't need to let democracy get a foot in the door at the same time they were broke. Somehow deal with the issues more slowly instead of letting them erupt all at once in a violent revolution.
- frigidmagi
- Dragon Death-Marine General
- Posts: 14757
- Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:03 am
- 19
- Location: Alone and unafraid
#230
Well the Pope will not be in Rome, but the majority of Rome remains christian. The reason the Pope is not in Rome as to do with the Roman government and the Pope's own power base.@ Havoc. How does the existence of your empire effect Catholicism?
Basically Cleric, if you so desire you could have the Pope in Avigon if not I've found an alternate home for him.
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
#231
Well, Central Europe is certainly going to be a very different place in the 17th and 18th centuries-Russia's far, far away from the centers of European power, for one thing, for another to a certain extent Sweden-Poland is a 900 pound gorilla in the room. A generally peaceful one, but the sheer military power of the the two combined, especially in the mid-to-late 17th century, would probably seriously change things downstream. I did basically take Europe's largest land power in the 1600s and give it the two things it was lacking-consistent civilian leadership and a navy. That's going to change how the land around France is, which means the French might not find themselves in as many wars.
Last edited by Slacker on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
- SirNitram
- The All-Seeing Eye
- Posts: 5178
- Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:13 pm
- 19
- Location: Behind you, duh!
- Contact:
#232
I apologize to get this far and drop, but the spark is gone. I formally withdraw from the STGOD.
Half-Damned, All Hero.
Tev: You're happy. You're Plotting. You're Evil.
Me: Evil is so inappropriate. I'm ruthless.
Tev: You're turning me on.
I Am Rage. You Will Know My Fury.
Tev: You're happy. You're Plotting. You're Evil.
Me: Evil is so inappropriate. I'm ruthless.
Tev: You're turning me on.
I Am Rage. You Will Know My Fury.
#233
:sad:
Sorry to hear that Nit. I'm sure you would've been fun to play with.
Sorry to hear that Nit. I'm sure you would've been fun to play with.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
- The Cleric
- Thy Kingdom Come...
- Posts: 741
- Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:34 pm
- 19
- Location: The Right Hand Of GOD
- Contact:
#234
Can you now reveal what that equatorial strip was for?
Never shall innocent blood be shed, yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river.
The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god.
The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god.
- General Havoc
- Mr. Party-Killbot
- Posts: 5245
- Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:12 pm
- 19
- Location: The City that is not Frisco
- Contact:
#235
Sorry to hear that Nit.
And Frigid, the Avignon Papacy was my original POD, but if Cleric wants the pope he's gonna have to have moved on from Avignon since then, as Avignon is in Provence, which Rome took over in the 16th century.
And Frigid, the Avignon Papacy was my original POD, but if Cleric wants the pope he's gonna have to have moved on from Avignon since then, as Avignon is in Provence, which Rome took over in the 16th century.
Gaze upon my works, ye mighty, and despair...
Havoc: "So basically if you side against him, he summons Cthulu."
Hotfoot: "Yes, which is reasonable."
Havoc: "So basically if you side against him, he summons Cthulu."
Hotfoot: "Yes, which is reasonable."
- rhoenix
- The Artist formerly known as Rhoenix
- Posts: 7998
- Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:01 pm
- 17
- Location: "Here," for varying values of "here."
- Contact:
#236
I'm sorry to see you go Nitram, but I still say it would've been awesome to have rocket soldiers from Antactica. And not just because I was very curious as to the effects of military-grade cannabis on their flying.
In any case, I've not yet spent my points, and will be working out some of the conceptuals first - once those are done, spending points would be easy.
In any case, I've not yet spent my points, and will be working out some of the conceptuals first - once those are done, spending points would be easy.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes."
- William Gibson
- William Gibson
Josh wrote:What? There's nothing weird about having a pet housefly. He smuggles cigarettes for me.
#237
No point in spending points until our system is confirmed.
Having some NPCs would be interesting, I must say.
Having some NPCs would be interesting, I must say.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
#238
Actually the main reason for the Revolution was that the King was a ruthless modernizer who dismantled the old (merchantilistic) social order in favour of a new (capitalistic) one. In simple terms this was in the interest of the burgers and the more merchant-inclined nobility, but against the interests of the peasantry and landed nobility. When push came to shove the burgers expected the king to side with them, as they were by then natural allies. However, his failure to fully grasp the full ramifications of his policies caused the King to instead side with his traditional allies, the Church and landed nobility. So the burgers hijacked the anger of the peasantry and took charge of the situation themselves.Academia Nut wrote:As for the French Revolution, well, wasn't one of the big reasons for triggering it because the monarchy was nearly backrupt from excessive war making and thus they had to call in the Estates so that they could raise additional funds, which let a whole lot of issues break free? If maybe they didn't get into as many wars in the 18th century the French might not be in the same situation financially so they wouldn't need to let democracy get a foot in the door at the same time they were broke. Somehow deal with the issues more slowly instead of letting them erupt all at once in a violent revolution.
Ultimately a King exists to hoard food in times of plenty and distribute it in times of famine, that's what distinguishes him from a warlord or a despot. King Louis XVII dismantled France's social safety at the behest of Enlightenment-influenced advisers, who convinced him that doing so would make his nation prosperous. Instead it made his nation hungry, and the King lost his head.
Unequal tax burden didn't help matters, obviously, but it was an aggravating issue rather than the chief cause.
As it is, however, it would be nice to have some sort of Napoleonic Wars in our world history. Just because a Great Continental War in Europe is something every history needs.
There damned better well be NPCs. How else are the great powers going to have proxy wars?Steve wrote:Having some NPCs would be interesting, I must say.
Last edited by Hadrianvs on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
#239
Unfortunately SDNW3 has no NPCs save Switzerland and Afghanistan.Hadrianvs wrote:Actually the main reason for the Revolution was that the King was a ruthless modernizer who dismantled the old (merchantilistic) social order in favour of a new (capitalistic) one. In simple terms this was in the interest of the burgers and the more merchant-inclined nobility, but against the interests of the peasantry and landed nobility. When push came to shove the burgers expected the king to side with them, as they were by then natural allies. However, his failure to fully grasp the full ramifications of his policies caused the King to instead side with his traditional allies, the Church and landed nobility. So the burgers hijacked the anger of the peasantry and took charge of the situation themselves.Academia Nut wrote:As for the French Revolution, well, wasn't one of the big reasons for triggering it because the monarchy was nearly backrupt from excessive war making and thus they had to call in the Estates so that they could raise additional funds, which let a whole lot of issues break free? If maybe they didn't get into as many wars in the 18th century the French might not be in the same situation financially so they wouldn't need to let democracy get a foot in the door at the same time they were broke. Somehow deal with the issues more slowly instead of letting them erupt all at once in a violent revolution.
Ultimately a King exists to hoard food in times of plenty and distribute it in times of famine, that's what distinguishes him from a warlord or a despot. King Louis XVII dismantled France's social safety at the behest of Enlightenment-influenced advisers, who convinced him that doing so would make his nation prosperous. Instead it made his nation hungry, and the King lost his head.
Unequal tax burden didn't help matters, obviously, but it was an aggravating issue rather than the chief cause.
As it is, however, it would be nice to have some sort of Napoleonic Wars in our world history. Just because a Great Continental War in Europe is something every history needs.
There damned better well be NPCs. How else are the great powers going to have proxy wars?Steve wrote:Having some NPCs would be interesting, I must say.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
- rhoenix
- The Artist formerly known as Rhoenix
- Posts: 7998
- Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:01 pm
- 17
- Location: "Here," for varying values of "here."
- Contact:
#240
That works. I'll quit trying to rush, then.Steve wrote:No point in spending points until our system is confirmed.
Indeed. Great and noble GM, please give us the nation of Antarctican Bioshock-esque Rocket Men as NPC's!Steve wrote:Having some NPCs would be interesting, I must say.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes."
- William Gibson
- William Gibson
Josh wrote:What? There's nothing weird about having a pet housefly. He smuggles cigarettes for me.
#242
I mentioned this in chat, and I'll repeat it here-I suggest we get one or two more players, to fill out a couple GP-level guys, and start, after filling the remainder of the map in with NPCs. I think we'll avoid the PC-wargasm that'd occur, and the bitchfest that'd result, if we literally filled the world with NPCs.
#243
Well certainly a good portion of my planned schemes rely on the existence of NPCs. This would be fun because we could have wars starting like they do in real life: a slow build-up over many years as a few great powers fight over several minor ones.Slacker wrote:I mentioned this in chat, and I'll repeat it here-I suggest we get one or two more players, to fill out a couple GP-level guys, and start, after filling the remainder of the map in with NPCs. I think we'll avoid the PC-wargasm that'd occur, and the bitchfest that'd result, if we literally filled the world with NPCs.
#244
Can we get an updated map? We settle on Canada? I'll also take the chunk of Africa between my two already-existing claims, just makes things easier.
I'd recommend we consider leaving our African claims relatively small, a Race for Africa might be a fun thing to throw in.
I'd recommend we consider leaving our African claims relatively small, a Race for Africa might be a fun thing to throw in.
- frigidmagi
- Dragon Death-Marine General
- Posts: 14757
- Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:03 am
- 19
- Location: Alone and unafraid
#245
I'm typing this coming home form work and I'm hungry and cranky so if this sounds rough don't take it personal.
Now I'm open to NPC ideas, and parts of the world are gonna be left gray as "tribal zones." If anyone screams at me they had better be someone with colonies.
But hey, just to show that I'm not all snarls and demands.
Mappy Map
There will be PC's and I'll be in charge of making them. Currently I'm waiting for the rule system to be hashed out, we're having a vote in the rule thread so if you read this head over to it and vote. I'll be closing the vote at 1:30am Sunday, AZ time USA. My thanks to those who have voted.Hadri wrote:There damned better well be NPCs. How else are the great powers going to have proxy wars?
Now I'm open to NPC ideas, and parts of the world are gonna be left gray as "tribal zones." If anyone screams at me they had better be someone with colonies.
You know I've been running pretty far and wide to get players, I've exhausted my list. So Slacker if you want more players. You go get them. Just about everyone I could grab has already told me no or has joined. To help in that I will open up Europe to one, One new player who must take at least a 3 in colonies. I'm being a dick, but there is alot of gray to fill up. I would prefer Asia, South America or Africa however.Slacker wrote:I mentioned this in chat, and I'll repeat it here-I suggest we get one or two more players, to fill out a couple GP-level guys, and start, after filling the remainder of the map in with NPCs. I think we'll avoid the PC-wargasm that'd occur, and the bitchfest that'd result, if we literally filled the world with NPCs.
But hey, just to show that I'm not all snarls and demands.
Mappy Map
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
#246
You know, if nobody else takes Britain it would be interesting to have an occasion where Britain fell apart in an 1860s-1870s civil war caused by an altered line of inheritance (maybe no Victoria, and Ernst August became King, then over his reign and that of a successor's the monarchy's attempts to hold power in a conservative fashion led to... problems). We could then have an independent Ireland, England, Scotland, maybe in Wales, and I could segue it nicely into the rise of Pacifica (settlers fleeing the war moving to the lands of Pacifica, Australia and New Zealand's colonial populations aligning with Pacifica for help with native uprisings and such).
Various European powers could also vie for influence in the old British Isles. Maybe the Vasa are supporting Ireland, the French have renewed the Auld Alliance with Scotland, Russia or Rome are friendly and maybe allied with England proper, etc.
Various European powers could also vie for influence in the old British Isles. Maybe the Vasa are supporting Ireland, the French have renewed the Auld Alliance with Scotland, Russia or Rome are friendly and maybe allied with England proper, etc.
Last edited by Steve on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
#247
frigidmagi wrote: You know I've been running pretty far and wide to get players, I've exhausted my list. So Slacker if you want more players. You go get them. Just about everyone I could grab has already told me no or has joined. To help in that I will open up Europe to one, One new player who must take at least a 3 in colonies. I'm being a dick, but there is alot of gray to fill up. I would prefer Asia, South America or Africa however.
I wasn't implying that you guys weren't somehow being exhaustive your efforts, merely that we shouldn't kill ourselves filling in the entire map. I've got a couple of potential nibbles, but noone's given me anything really more than a 'hrm, interesting' yet. Now with Great Britain open, well, maybe. I'll prod the best candidate again today and see if I can lure him in.
#248
I suggest the person with Argentina-Chile go ahead and take Uruguay. Not only is there a lot of nice beach-front property, it also gives a bit strategic depth north of Buenos Aires. In real life, Brazil and Argentina spent much of the 19th century having a cold war over the place. It's independent because neither country would stand for the other annexing it. Guess who's not on the border to complain in this time line?
-
- Acolyte
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:27 pm
- 15
#249
The island of Timor is open once again to anyone who feels the urge to stick their nose into the region, if they're sufficiently brave. Or maybe I'll just eat it.
#250
In the immortal words of Larfleeze aka Agent Orange....KlavoHunter wrote:The island of Timor is open once again to anyone who feels the urge to stick their nose into the region, if they're sufficiently brave. Or maybe I'll just eat it.
MINE!!!
Last edited by Steve on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina