DC Earth (modern) vs Burning Legion (World of Warcraft)

[Dark Silver]

Through the Machinations of one of the various Supervillian Magicians of the DC Universe, DCU Earth is brought to the attention of the Burning Legion's Second in Command - Kil'jaeden - and marked for invasion by Sargeras' Burning Legion.

Said Magician manages to open a Portal to the Legion's Homeworld, establishing a beach head in (let's just say) the middle of the Congo. We'll give the Burning Legion a week to establish their presence before the Justice League figures out something's happening and goto investigate.

What happens?

[The Cleric]

Are we dealing with the lore Burning Legion, or the in-game one? Lore has their numbers in the untold billions, and they can just swarm anything down. And the lore magic is... impressive.

[Hotfoot]

Superboy punches it and the Legion ceases to exist.

Honestly, without far more stringent guidelines (which heroes are allowed, which aren't, what the capabilities are of each side, etc.) this seems rather meaningless. DC has numerous high class heroes capable of stupidly incredible feats, and given the current trend of DC bringing things back to the Silver Age power levels, this could be a laughably short matchup.

I mean, between the White Lantern stuff, The Spectre, and the countless super-teams and Class-A Heroes like Marvel, the Super-Family, Wonder Woman, the Speedsters, and so on, you're looking at all sorts of power that can be brought to bear against the Burning Legion. And yes, I know the Super-Family is "vulnerable" to magic, but really from what I've seen that just means that a magic sword is slightly more likely to cut them than a non-magic sword, and high enough technology seems to do just fine.

And that's all without bringing guns and tanks into the equation, much less nukes.

As far as uber-swarms go, there are almost certainly several times "endless" hordes of enemies have been fought by various heroes in the DC Universe. Never mind that the phrase is a no-limits fallacy without meaning usually used to describe very large numbers without having to necessarily limit yourself because last week a million sounded good enough.

But hey, let's make this fair. We'll get most of the JLA, they'll be team one. JSA will be team two, JLI will be team three, and Titans will be team four, with team five being, oh, either the Outsiders, Secret Six, or the Suicide Squad. We'll pick the five best people from each group, with alternates in case they can't make it at 7:30. Kal will be the main assist, so target through him, and if you end up in the god damn whelps, that's a fucking 52 DC Crossover minus!

[frigidmagi]

JLI?

Wouldn't the Green Latern Corps and others come running with bells on at this? I mean we are talking an invasion by the forces of hell itself. DC Earth is a hell of a lot more connected with the greater universe then Marvel Earth. We should also remember that Wonder Woman and Marvel are direct representatives and can call for the attention of various old gods.

That said, the Burning Legion is magic, so at least they can hurt Supes and most of the crew (and with the whole burning thing maybe Martian Manhunter should sit this one out, just saying). Until Batman shows up. Because well... It's Batman.

[Dark Silver]

Hotfoot: The scenario is for all of DCU Earth to go against the Burning Legion - though I should have specified the Lore Burning Legion, not the one seen in the game.

If we go by the Lore, the Burning Legion has numbers in the billions, but also require portals to get their more powerful races through (beings like Archimonde couldn't come through the initial portal that the Doomguard, Felguard, Fel Hunters, Succubus, Floating Eyes, Imps and Eredar Warlocks could for example).

That's not including Sargeras himself, who needs a specialized portal of massive power to step through to worlds himself - and it's been said that once the Dark Titan crosses through the portals, entire worlds are destroyed by him.


Now we've only seen in Lore what the Burning Legion has done against Dreanor (The homeland of the Orcs) and what they've managed to do against Azeroth - they've managed to get their asses handed to them by the Night Elves and their allies both times the Legion invaded, so it's possibly for a relatively primitive culture (compared to Modern Earth, much less DCU Earth) to defend against them.


It's mostly just a match up that's been rattling in my head, and was wondering about when the idea of a crossover came up.

[Hotfoot]

If 25 dudes from the Warcraft Universe can go up against the biggest and baddest from the Legion and come out smelling like roses once a week, I'm not terribly concerned about DC's chances.

Compare these guys to the various crossover threats the DC universe has had to face, not the least of which includes Mongul's War World, Darkseid's Apokalips, the OMACs, The War of the Lanterns, and so on. Apokalips alone is an entire planet of low to prime-level metahumans which is designed primarily for war.

And that's not even considering the high-tier threats that threaten to wipe even those things out from the DC Universe. Comic books in general tend to go by the rule of cool, rather than any sort of sensible structure. While there aren't quite as many "cosmic" threats like in Marvel, where you have Galctus, Thanos, etc., there are several threats in the DC Universe that the heroes deal with on a regular basis. Guys that make portals to Earth to bring through massive armies rank as Tuesday there.

What matters is the relative strength of the armies, the champions who are the big bads that need to be brought down, and what distinct things they are capable of. It's utterly pointless to say "entire worlds are destroyed by him", because that has absolutely no worthwhile language. Entire worlds were destroyed by Doomsday, Lex Luthor, and any number of other villians. Hell, Black Adam ALONE wiped out an entire nation off of the face of DC Earth and fought dozens, if not hundreds of individual heroes to a standstill in a massive brawl in China, only to be stopped by a deus ex machina.

I'm not going to completely write off the forces of Azeroth as primitive, since they have a lot of magic and steampunk tech, but ultimately the scales are way off and we have no reasonably way to compare them to superheroes from DC, especially since in the lores for both, power levels vary so widely it's hard to get a good indication of who beats what. I mean hell, at one point Hal Jordan with two Green Lantern rings and a bad attitude destroyed the universe to try and recreate it to his own liking.

And Garvin: JLI = Justice League International. It's a bit mid-90's, but they just brought it back. It's where Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Fire and Ice, Enlongated Man, and Captain Marvel hung out. On the note of magic though, Superfam's magic vulnerability is spotty at best. It can range from near-kryptonite (which has been getting nerfed for years) to "What, that hurt? Damn, must be magic/super/tech/mcguffin that can hurt me today."

Now if this were, say, Marvel Universe, and you restricted the Powers Cosmic from interfering, I dare say you'd have a more interesting fight on your hands, because overall you don't have scores of Green Lantern/Kryptonian/Amazonian/Batman Inc. waiting in the wings to utterly beat down anything that looks at Earth funny.

Though Hulk might be imba, tanks shouldn't DPS.

[Steve]

Yeah, I think DC Earth would prevail. Though remember that the Night Elves did win, initially, by the skin of their teeth and because they had a nature god, his top student, and the most powerful magic-wielding priestess of a lunar goddess leading the way (not counting the timey-wimey weirdness from Knaak's novels and the infamous Rhonin), and the second victory was only because they sacrificed the magical foundation of their immortality to generate enough magical energy to atomize Archimonde, and that only stopped the Legion; they maintained footholds in Felwood and Lordaeron, losing the latter only because of the Scourge breaking free and the Forsaken in turn breaking away from them.

...great, now I've got my GL/WoW crossover fic on my mind again.