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#1 Removing the Optimism Bias

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Humans tend to embrace good news, while discounting bad news. We overestimate our odds of winning the lottery or living long lives, while underplaying our risk of cancer, divorce, or unemployment. Now, researchers from University College London (UCL) have found a way of removing these rose-tinted glasses, by aiming a magnetic field at a brain region called the left inferior frontal gyrus (IFG). Their results are published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

“So much of the work on psychological biases over the decades has been correlational,” said Dominic Johnson, a political scientist from the University of Oxford, who was not involved in the study. “Here we have a rare example of a direct manipulation experiment. This is a great step forward and promises to open up whole new avenues for research in this area.”

The optimism bias was recognised decades ago, and seems to exist across genders, nationalities, races, and ages. UCL’s Tali Sharot has been studying how the brain creates this bias since 2007. In an earlier study using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), she had linked the IFG to people’s ability to update their beliefs with new information. “The left IFG was tracking information that was better than expected, and the right IFG was tracking information that was worse than expected,” she said, “and [the right IFG] wasn’t doing as efficient a job.”

“But fMRI only gives us a correlation,” Sharot added. “To show causation, we wanted to see whether manipulating these brain regions would alter how people learn from good and bad information.” She and UCL colleague Ryota Kanai used transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS)—a technique for temporarily shutting off part of the brain—to disrupt the right IFG, the left IFG, or an unrelated area in 30 volunteers. Five minutes later, the researchers asked the volunteers to estimate their chances of experiencing 40 different nasty fates, from Alzheimer’s disease to robbery. Sharot and Kanai then revealed the actual frequencies of each event and, later, asked the volunteers to recalculate their estimates.

Optimism bias was alive and well among volunteers receiving TMS to the right IFG or the unrelated region, who were more likely to update their beliefs when the bad events were less common than expected. But such bias vanished in the group whose left IFGs were disrupted who, on average, gave equal weight to statistics showing that events were either more or less likely than they had expected. Questionnaires revealed that TMS did not affect other traits that could have explained the volunteers’ changed behavior, such as emotional arousal or negativity. Nor did the treatment affect their memory—they were just as likely to remember the actual probabilities that they had been told, no matter where the magnetic fields were aimed.

Based on her earlier work, Sharot thought that disrupting the left IFG would reduce the optimism bias by reducing our ability to learn from good news, while disrupting the right IFG would boost a person’s inclination towards good news. Her results showed otherwise. In fact, with the left area shut down, people were just as likely to adjust their beliefs based on good news, but better at adjusting their beliefs based on bad news.

“There are many implications of such research, from potential mechanisms of depression at a personal level, to ignoring financial errors at a societal one,” said Daniel Bor, a neuroscientist from the University of Cambridge, who did not participate in the research. However, he added, “previous research in this area has more implicated the right, rather than the left, IFG. More research needs to be carried out to further validate and explore this intriguing finding.”

Sharot and Kanai also found some individual variations. Even though disrupting the left IFG negated optimistic tendencies on average, 40 percent of the volunteers still showed the bias. “This raises interesting questions about whether some people have a greater or lesser ability to resist cognitive biases,” said Johnson, although he noted that “some of this variation is likely due to noise or the treatment not working for whatever reason.”

Of course, it may not always be beneficial to suppress such natural biases. Unwarranted optimism can lead us to take unnecessary risks with our health or finances, but Sharot and Kanai noted that it could also be adaptive, by encouraging people to try new things or avoid the stress of potential illness or failure.

In certain cases, however, Sharot thinks that her work might have clinical relevance. Targeting the right brain area could, for example, help boost optimism in people who tend to lack it, such as those with depression. “If you start off in depressed individuals, my hypothesis would be that disrupting the right IFG would create a bias that isn’t there,” she said.
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This is all very interesting and has some really deep significance...

Now having considered some of it... If you'll excuse me, I need to go scream in terror now.
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#2 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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#3 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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I don't feel particularly inclined to remove the Optimism bias, particularly as those who want others to do so are suggesting it as a means of trying to control the narrative.
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#4 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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I'm mixed on the basic concept.

On the one hand, people should be optimistic-yet-pragmatic about their own ventures. Optimism launches us into new ventures, new fields, new everything.

On the other hand, optimism can drift into blind faith and that's when it becomes a detriment.

However, this is extremely focused tinkering and when we get into that sort of thing we then run the risk of disrupting the weirdly balanced way our brains work. That I definitely don't want to muck with.
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#5 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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Why scream in terror?
Hi! I can with a flip of the switch change not just the way you think, but the very way you perceive reality. Because somebody, somewhere decided the way you perceive it now is not the right way. So lie back, relax and get ready to be a new you. Don't worry, I'm here to help.
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#6 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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frigidmagi wrote:
Why scream in terror?
Hi! I can with a flip of the switch change not just the way you think, but the very way you perceive reality. Because somebody, somewhere decided the way you perceive it now is not the right way. So lie back, relax and get ready to be a new you. Don't worry, I'm here to help.
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Which is the way of things. Why, I remember when they started poking holes in their faces and other portions of the anatomy...
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#7 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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Josh wrote:There's a lot of shit in the future we ain't gonna like, brother.

Which is the way of things. Why, I remember when they started poking holes in their faces and other portions of the anatomy...
And so rather than having some hope that such things can be changed, it is absolutely necessary for the good of all that we do nothing but sit around brooding about the evil things that will inevitably happen to us. If we don't, then how will we feel superior to all those stupid optimistic people killing our buzz?
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I'd rather we keep the optimism bias in humanity, if you could be bothered. Because I think I was out having a smoke when we were issued it, and I'd prefer somebody being around to tell me everything is going to end well, all available evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
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#9 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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General Havoc wrote:And so rather than having some hope that such things can be changed, it is absolutely necessary for the good of all that we do nothing but sit around brooding about the evil things that will inevitably happen to us. If we don't, then how will we feel superior to all those stupid optimistic people killing our buzz?
I hope that pile of burning straw isn't setting off the fire sprinklers over there.

What I was actually thinking is that the optimal course involves blindly swinging haymakers at anything that vaguely resembles a philosophical difference so that we could feel superior to all those stupid cynics killing our buzz.
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Josh wrote:I hope that pile of burning straw isn't setting off the fire sprinklers over there.

What I was actually thinking is that the optimal course involves blindly swinging haymakers at anything that vaguely resembles a philosophical difference so that we could feel superior to all those stupid cynics killing our buzz.
At least wait two sentences after complaining about a strawman before countering with one of your own. If you can't actually give me a reason why people who dare to question your doom and gloom analyses need their thinking processes changed by force, don't spit fire at me when I come up with one that sounds plausible. I'm not the one who demands that everyone give up all hope for everything in the future to suit my own mental state.
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#11 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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General Havoc wrote:
Josh wrote:I hope that pile of burning straw isn't setting off the fire sprinklers over there.

What I was actually thinking is that the optimal course involves blindly swinging haymakers at anything that vaguely resembles a philosophical difference so that we could feel superior to all those stupid cynics killing our buzz.
At least wait two sentences after complaining about a strawman before countering with one of your own. If you can't actually give me a reason why people who dare to question your doom and gloom analyses need their thinking processes changed by force, don't spit fire at me when I come up with one that sounds plausible. I'm not the one who demands that everyone give up all hope for everything in the future to suit my own mental state.
Uh.

Uhm.

Where...

What...

Where in this thread am I demanding that everyone succumb to gloom and doom analysis?

I made a somewhat facetious comment and you came out arguing on my attitude... again... and...

Projection much?

Seriously, chill the fuck out child. I made a somewhat nuanced statement at first, then I made a joke, then you came out swinging with your usual bullshit about my attitude. I had kind of hoped (optimistically and naively, it seems) that we'd moved past that somewhere along the way.

Basically, fuck your confrontational bullshit. I'm not playing the game. Demand that nobody ever say anything cynical around you all you want, I'm not interested.
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#12 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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Uh.

Uhm.

Where...

What...

Where in this thread am I demanding that everyone succumb to gloom and doom analysis?

I made a somewhat facetious comment and you came out arguing on my attitude... again... and...

Projection much?

Seriously, chill the fuck out child. I made a somewhat nuanced statement at first, then I made a joke, then you came out swinging with your usual bullshit about my attitude. I had kind of hoped (optimistically and naively, it seems) that we'd moved past that somewhere along the way.

Basically, fuck your confrontational bullshit. I'm not playing the game. Demand that nobody ever say anything cynical around you all you want, I'm not interested.
My "confrontational" bullshit? Forgive me, have I mistaken this forum for the local collective of "people who are not allowed to disagree with one another"? I'm an asshole for not fucking agreeing with you then? Guilty as fucking charged.

The title of this thread is Removing the Optimism Bias. The subject of the thread is, yet again, redefining the mindset of anyone who does not believe the world is ending as a sufferer from a mental disease, or at the very least, a pervasive cognitive bias, thus obviating any need to actually discuss particular issues. And when I enter the thread, what do I find, but someone who redefines anyone who doesn't see the world their way as a child and an asshole. I find the very notion of this article abominable, and its conclusions imbecilic. I thought I made that clear enough. Your ability to type the word "fuck" does not magically render either this concept any less imbecilic. Nor does it magically imbue your opinions with divine infallibility.

You have an awful lot of bile to spew for someone who "doesn't care". And since you have, yet again, defined someone who does not agree with you as an intolerable assault on your honor and existence, and once more tried to change the subject from the article in question to a personal attack on me, I will ask you kindly to do precisely as you indicated you were doing and fuck off. I am in no mood for your customary whining shitfit, Josh, and in even less for someone who has nothing substantive to say to try and score cool points by gesticulating wildly at insults he thinks will make him look smart.
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#13 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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There are two things here:

1) This was a neuroscience thing. They were trying to understand the mechanism of a particular cognitive bias that has certain effects--like on international finance. They are not attempting to engineer away or enhance that bias. They do some hand-waving in that direction, but mostly as a treatment for depression, or in helping deal with high-risk situations where that bias can lead to harm to self an others. Even so, there are MAJOR ethical hurdles that have to be gotten over before anyone in the universe will want to touch that with a ten foot pole.

2) I dont care who started it. I dont care why it continues. Josh, Havoc, You Will Cease. This has entered positive feedback loop of over-reaction territory, and I will not tolerate it in my forum. Take it to PMs or something.
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#14 Re: Removing the Optimism Bias

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Damn, posted just before my brilliant riposte.

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