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#1 UW fusion reactor concept could be cheaper than coal

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washington.edu wrote:Fusion energy almost sounds too good to be true – zero greenhouse gas emissions, no long-lived radioactive waste, a nearly unlimited fuel supply.

Perhaps the biggest roadblock to adopting fusion energy is that the economics haven’t penciled out. Fusion power designs aren’t cheap enough to outperform systems that use fossil fuels such as coal and natural gas.

University of Washington engineers hope to change that. They have designed a concept for a fusion reactor that, when scaled up to the size of a large electrical power plant, would rival costs for a new coal-fired plant with similar electrical output.

The team published its reactor design and cost-analysis findings last spring and will present results Oct. 17 at the International Atomic Energy Agency’s Fusion Energy Conference in St. Petersburg, Russia.

“Right now, this design has the greatest potential of producing economical fusion power of any current concept,” said Thomas Jarboe, a UW professor of aeronautics and astronautics and an adjunct professor in physics.

The UW’s reactor, called the dynomak, started as a class project taught by Jarboe two years ago. After the class ended, Jarboe and doctoral student Derek Sutherland – who previously worked on a reactor design at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology – continued to develop and refine the concept.

The design builds on existing technology and creates a magnetic field within a closed space to hold plasma in place long enough for fusion to occur, allowing the hot plasma to react and burn. The reactor itself would be largely self-sustaining, meaning it would continuously heat the plasma to maintain thermonuclear conditions. Heat generated from the reactor would heat up a coolant that is used to spin a turbine and generate electricity, similar to how a typical power reactor works.

“This is a much more elegant solution because the medium in which you generate fusion is the medium in which you’re also driving all the current required to confine it,” Sutherland said.

There are several ways to create a magnetic field, which is crucial to keeping a fusion reactor going. The UW’s design is known as a spheromak, meaning it generates the majority of magnetic fields by driving electrical currents into the plasma itself. This reduces the amount of required materials and actually allows researchers to shrink the overall size of the reactor.

Other designs, such as the experimental fusion reactor project that’s currently being built in France – called Iter – have to be much larger than the UW’s because they rely on superconducting coils that circle around the outside of the device to provide a similar magnetic field. When compared with the fusion reactor concept in France, the UW’s is much less expensive – roughly one-tenth the cost of Iter – while producing five times the amount of energy.

The UW researchers factored the cost of building a fusion reactor power plant using their design and compared that with building a coal power plant. They used a metric called “overnight capital costs,” which includes all costs, particularly startup infrastructure fees. A fusion power plant producing 1 gigawatt (1 billion watts) of power would cost $2.7 billion, while a coal plant of the same output would cost $2.8 billion, according to their analysis.

“If we do invest in this type of fusion, we could be rewarded because the commercial reactor unit already looks economical,” Sutherland said. “It’s very exciting.”

Right now, the UW’s concept is about one-tenth the size and power output of a final product, which is still years away. The researchers have successfully tested the prototype’s ability to sustain a plasma efficiently, and as they further develop and expand the size of the device they can ramp up to higher-temperature plasma and get significant fusion power output.

The team has filed patents on the reactor concept with the UW’s Center for Commercialization and plans to continue developing and scaling up its prototypes.

Other members of the UW design team include Kyle Morgan of physics; Eric Lavine, Michal Hughes, George Marklin, Chris Hansen, Brian Victor, Michael Pfaff, and Aaron Hossack of aeronautics and astronautics; Brian Nelson of electrical engineering; and, Yu Kamikawa and Phillip Andrist formerly of the UW.

The research was funded by the U.S. Department of Energy.
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However, this looks to be a rather modified approach to the usual method, simplifying the design impressively while retaining power output. It may be the nerd in me that really wants the promise of clean energy (and eventually newer spacecraft), but any news on this front is good news, I think.
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We'll see. Economically viable fusion has been 'just around the corner' for as long as I can remember, and from what I can tell since long before I was born. If they got it working this time I say congratulations and my cowl's off to them but I'm not holding my breath. The moment they build a functioning reactor they can call me a naysayer to their heart's content, and chances are I'd join in. I want working fusion. Fossils are running out, and we're too stupid to move to fission. But when you're promised something and then the people promising fail to deliver often enough, you tend to get a tad sceptical.
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Batman wrote:We'll see. Economically viable fusion has been 'just around the corner' for as long as I can remember, and from what I can tell since long before I was born. If they got it working this time I say congratulations and my cowl's off to them but I'm not holding my breath. The moment they build a functioning reactor they can call me a naysayer to their heart's content, and chances are I'd join in. I want working fusion. Fossils are running out, and we're too stupid to move to fission. But when you're promised something and then the people promising fail to deliver often enough, you tend to get a tad sceptical.
That's fair, but if given the choice between refining fission tech, and getting fusion tech working, I'd lean toward fusion almost every time. Fission we can do now, that's true, but it also generates quite a bit of waste that you pretty much just have to stash someplace, and a fission reactor going critical is a very bad thing. Both of those are non-issues for the fusion designs I've read about.
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Batman wrote:Fossils are running out, and we're too stupid to move to fission.
Fossils aren't even close to running out, particularly coal. With all the new discoveries they're not even talking Peak Oil anymore (my region alone is projected to be able to maintain the current level of production for another eighty years and twenty years ago they thought we were verging on being played out within my lifetime.)

I do agree that fission is the simple smart route in the meantime, but at present that's still a long-lost fight with some hope for coming back for another go.
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Fusion is undeniably safer than fission (not to mention massively more efficient). It's also something we haven't managed to get working so far. If this changed then gravy. Yes, I'd far prefer working fusion over fission too (though the fission waste problem is way exaggerated in my opinion). Thing is we 'know' how to do fission, and reasonably safely (it's not fission's fault that we can't be arsed to actually do so sometimes) while we're still trying to figure out fusion. What we should be doing is refining both (make fission as efficient and safe as possible to serve as a stopgap until fusion is viable) when from what I can tell we're doing neither to any serious extent.
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Batman wrote:Fusion is undeniably safer than fission (not to mention massively more efficient). It's also something we haven't managed to get working so far. If this changed then gravy. Yes, I'd far prefer working fusion over fission too (though the fission waste problem is way exaggerated in my opinion). Thing is we 'know' how to do fission, and reasonably safely (it's not fission's fault that we can't be arsed to actually do so sometimes) while we're still trying to figure out fusion. What we should be doing is refining both (make fission as efficient and safe as possible to serve as a stopgap until fusion is viable) when from what I can tell we're doing neither to any serious extent.
I can agree with that. Further experience and knowledge in how to refine the technology used for fission plants could at least have positive echoes for fusion work, which would ostensibly come later.
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