Israel scorns Iran nuclear talks

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:54 pm

Israel's military chief says he doubts diplomatic efforts will prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
Lt-Gen Dan Halutz said Iran had managed to fend off international pressure "time after time".

Gen Halutz said there were military options available to block Iran's nuclear project, but that these were not being considered yet.

Some Western countries suspect Iran of trying to develop nuclear weapons, but Tehran says its programme is peaceful.

It says it has the right to enrich uranium and use it to generate energy.

However, enriched uranium can also be used in nuclear bombs.

Iranians 'determined'

The EU, with the backing of the US, has been leading efforts to persuade Iran to give up its enrichment attempts.

However, they have not yet roused enough international support to take the matter to the UN Security Council for possible sanctions.

"The fact that the Iranians are successful time after time in getting away from international pressure... encourages them to continue their nuclear project," Gen Halutz said.

IRAN'S NUCLEAR STANDOFF
September 2002: Work begins on Iran's first nuclear reactor at Bushehr
December 2002: Satellite photographs reveal nuclear sites at Arak and Natanz. Iran agrees to an IAEA inspection
September 2003: IAEA gives Iran weeks to prove it is not pursuing atomic weapons
November 2003: Iran suspends uranium enrichment and allows tougher inspections; IAEA says no proof of any weapons programme
June 2004: IAEA rebukes Iran for not fully co-operating with nuclear inquiry
November 2004: Iran suspends uranium enrichment as part of deal with EU
August 2005: Iran rejects EU proposals and resumes work at Isfahan nuclear plant

"I believe that the political means that are being used by the Europeans and the Americans to convince the Iranians to stop will not end in stopping them."

"The Iranians are determined to get a nuclear capability. From Israel's viewpoint such a situation is unacceptable."

There are military options to deal with Iran, he said, but those "alternatives are not being considered yet".

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon repeated that Israel would not allow Iran to become nuclear-armed.

"I hope that Iran will be brought soon before the Security Council and sanctions will be imposed against her so that the nuclear process will stop," he said.

He said Israel was a "partner" in attempts to block Iran's programme, but was not leading them.

Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said on Sunday he believed a resumption of talks with the EU - suspended when Iran restarted uranium conversion in August - could yield "important results".

But he rejected the notion of direct talks with the US.

Oh can you hear the boom of the distant guns... Or bombs in this case.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:05 pm

"The fact that the Iranians are successful time after time in getting away from international pressure... encourages them to continue their nuclear project," Gen Halutz said.

Yeah, no shit. Rule of negotiating, the first time you let somebody break the deal without serious consequences, you lose. Because either you're going to keep getting fucked, or you're going to have to hammer them hard.

Fucking useless diplomat assholes.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:20 am

I'll be most interested in the world's reactions when some Middle Eastern country commences it's first nuclear weapon tests.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:46 am

Robert Walper wrote:I'll be most interested in the world's reactions when some Middle Eastern country commences it's first nuclear weapon tests.

Pakistan did that, nothing happened.

Lord Stormbringer · Post by **Lord Stormbringer** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:19 am

Ace Pace wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:I'll be most interested in the world's reactions when some Middle Eastern country commences it's first nuclear weapon tests.
Pakistan did that, nothing happened.

Not a Middle Eastern country. And not ruled by theocratic nutjobs.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:01 pm

I'm going to have to agree with Stormy here. Pakistan is a South/Central Asian Country not a Middle Eastern one. Of course one could argue that Iran is has much central asian has middle eastern has well.

As for the government, well Pakistan's current government has opened diplomatic relations with Israel and seems to prefer attempting to work with it's neighbors and other nations, at least at some levels. Iran on the other hand... Well their new President gave a speech where he screamed Israel should be wiped off the map.

Comrade Tortoise · Post by **Comrade Tortoise** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:10 pm

frigidmagi wrote:I'm going to have to agree with Stormy here. Pakistan is a South/Central Asian Country not a Middle Eastern one. Of course one could argue that Iran is has much central asian has middle eastern has well.

As for the government, well Pakistan's current government has opened diplomatic relations with Israel and seems to prefer attempting to work with it's neighbors and other nations, at least at some levels. Iran on the other hand... Well their new President gave a speech where he screamed Israel should be wiped off the map.

And we all know what that means...

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:12 pm

Can't say I'm too optimistic about countries producing WMDs while at the same time producing populations of fanatical people who have no qualms about killing themselves so long as they get a lot of their enemies on the way. And their enemies are defined as anyone who doesn't believe what they believe, they just plain don't like you, or were brainwashed into doing both.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:32 pm

Actually Robert your average Iranian isn't all that fanatical, outside of a small elite group (represented by the Ayatollahs and their shiney new President). For example the hottiest selling item in Iran is "real American X."

Hell this is a country where the guy on the street says he sees no point in celebrating the anniversiury of the revolution (the Iranian one) and the government has to import mercenaries to put down the populace (Palsteindains, come on now, really whose shocked?). To be frank I'm thinking that Iran is coming due for another revolution and my biggest worry is how deep the blood will be.

Now in Pakistan you gotta point. That's a country where you can be arrested for the high crime of being raped, and 2/3s of the country will think you're still being soft on "uppity women." Course 2/3s of Pakistan is still tribal...

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:38 pm

Obviously my wording came across as meaning the majority population as fanatical. What I meant is producing large and influential groups of fanatical individuals.

I don't think their entire populations are such. I'm well aware many (perhaps most in some cases) just want to live their lives, support their families, etc.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:01 pm

Well the main problem with Iran is a small group of fanatics in charge of a nation that would really just rather eat at burgerking, but I get your point. They do after all enjoy funding groups of non-iranian fanatics to do the dirty work for them.

Lord Stormbringer · Post by **Lord Stormbringer** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:37 pm

frigidmagi wrote:Well the main problem with Iran is a small group of fanatics in charge of a nation that would really just rather eat at burgerking, but I get your point. They do after all enjoy funding groups of non-iranian fanatics to do the dirty work for them.

It's not that small a minority. The youngest generation doesn't embrace extremist Islam like the older but the middle generations have some attachement. And even the younger, while more progressive, is far from an enlightened, tolerant, budding democractic citizen; they have far more in common with your average southern baptist nutjob. Just look at Shadow from Sd.net who is a pretty average. Allah will stop the ICBM any one?

Definitely nuts enough I wouldn't trust the new or old with nukes.

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