Do you consider yourself conservative or liberal?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:59 pm

I'm your tippical southern redneck. kill the queers, get rid of the wetbacks, pro-death penalty, and to those damn basterds who wahnt to rid our goverment of religinan: FUCK OFF!!!

Ra · Post by Ra » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:05 pm

I assume you're joking?

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:07 pm

For your sake, Bobowal... you'd best be joking.

Otherwise you'll possibly have some amount of ash left over from the undeniable flames from SirNitram, Frigidmagi, Petrosjko, Comrade Tortoise, Ra, Myself, Allen, Darklord Steel, Einhander Sn0m4n and pretty much every rational person on the board.

Scottish Ninja · Post by **Scottish Ninja** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:18 pm

*Greases flamethrower and checks Willy Pete stock*

I'm ready and I'm rather planning on using them. That horrible spelling seems to tell me that you're telling the truth.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:25 pm

bobowal35 wrote:I'm your tippical southern redneck. kill the queers, get rid of the wetbacks, pro-death penalty, and to those damn basterds who wahnt to rid our goverment of religinan: FUCK OFF!!!

I see we have another person who combines failure to understand the US constitution with a lack of being able to spell. A disturbingly common combination.

By the way. Since you decided to become aggressive because I happen to agree with the Founding Fathers on religion, I will respond in kind. About a 6 on the dial, I think:

You're a disgrace to your country, your parentage, and your species. Grow up, experience a little reality, and read a little. Then maybe you'll be able to get through a conversation with someone who happens not to agree with making an American Taliban without spewing obscenities.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:26 pm

Dakarne you're aware I'm religious and pro-death penalty right? I do not however have any desire to live in a theocracy, it's just not working out very well for Iran and Saudi Arabia, plus I'm do lazy to stone people to death.

I assume that bobowal is joking and while I am aware that my own spelling abilities are lackluster, everyone should be able to spell 'want' at the very least. So he's joking.

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:30 pm

Dakarne you're aware I'm religious and pro-death penalty right?

I am a spiritual person and think that the death penalty is needed in some cases myself.

What I have a problem with, seeing as I am rather equalist in all fashions:

Is this particular part of his post:

kill the queers,

It's advocating murder of innocent people, therefore: It's wrong.

Also:

everyone should be able to spell 'want' at the very least. So he's joking.

You'd be surprised at the frequency which I find people who are deadly serious while misspelling such a simple word. It is what's known as 'typing too quickly during a kneejerk response'. It happens quite a lot in my experience.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:36 pm

Until I'm sure, I'm going with he's joking. Besides I'm from Oklahoma and none of my neighbors have ever advocated murdering people for being gay. Denying them legal and politcal rights, they have done and pushed for, I don't deny that. Call for exermination, no, I have heard no such calls from back home. Even most Southern Baqtist preachers would agree that killing them would be wrong.

Destructionator XV · Post by **Destructionator XV** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:38 pm

My perfect society is close to what we see in TNG's Federation. Big government control, but it remains benelovent. No huge corporations, no poverty. Secular intellectualism is a driving force. Of course, that is not feasable in reality.

In the real world, that leads to me being quite liberal. The bare essentials for living should be guarenteed for all. Business needs to be controled, more than we do in the United States, but obviously not so far as to destroy the free market entirely.

Intellectual property needs huge limits. Information just wants to be free. The government and businesses should have no power to limit the flow of information, except for specific military concerns, where loose lips could sink ships. Also, people's privacy should be enshrined.

I support the death penalty. Capital crimes deserve capital punishment.

I'm a little against abortion, but it is not the government's place to limit that.

You see, the government's main job is to protect the people. Keep them out of poverty, keep invaders out, keep the RIAA at bay, protect personal freedoms.

Public education is a neccesity for a healthy society. Schools should be free for all, and college affordable for all.

I support drug and gun control laws. People can own rifles and pistols, possibly with a permit, but there is no need for regular people to own assualt rifles or anything like that. Drugs kill innocent people with no appricable gains and as such should be banned.

I've got some qualms with democracy. The average person is too stupid to make important decisions. But democracy works better than other forms of government, so that is what we should use.

Comrade Tortoise · Post by **Comrade Tortoise** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:36 pm

Ah, I see. So the downside of those National Health Plan schemes is that it is the only option available, and you can't use commercial health insurance provider anymore once the National Health Plan is applied, am I correct?

Usually yes. Canada recently opened up the option of purchasing one's own plan, but they still pay into the government one.

As it stands though, our system isnt working either. With rising health care costs, more and more people cannot get prevantative healthcare. emergency is covered because it is illegal to turn away emergency cases or those with life-threatening illness. However basic healthcare is lacking here, and our government safety net, which does need to exist, needs an overhaul.

Personally, I would turn it over to the states to administer with federal financial assistance and a small state tax increase. Maybe a state excise tax on gasoline and gasoline powered personal vehicles could be used in order to kill two birds with one stone. Either way, it is better to administer such things as a healthcare system locally. As it would be btter able to see to it's own needs (being closer to home and all) adjust spending accordingly. This might fix the problem of being "too poor to pay for my own insurance, and too rich to get on medicaid" problem. WIthout resorting to pulling a complete 180 and socializing our entire system.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:38 pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:Ah, I see. So the downside of those National Health Plan schemes is that it is the only option available, and you can't use commercial health insurance provider anymore once the National Health Plan is applied, am I correct?

Well I don't like monopoly either, be it government or corporations.

Then we see very much eye to eye here :)

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
frigidmagi wrote:KAN you're about to step into an American agruement that has been going on in one form or another since WWI. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Um, I'l watch my step then.

Nah you needent worry about me; he is right, this is a hot topic over here, but I'm far too uninvested to get hot headed. Especially over an innocent question

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:41 pm

Comrade Tortoise wrote:Personally, I would turn it over to the states to administer with federal financial assistance and a small state tax increase. Maybe a state excise tax on gasoline and gasoline powered personal vehicles could be used in order to kill two birds with one stone. Either way, it is better to administer such things as a healthcare system locally. As it would be btter able to see to it's own needs (being closer to home and all) adjust spending accordingly. This might fix the problem of being "too poor to pay for my own insurance, and too rich to get on medicaid" problem. WIthout resorting to pulling a complete 180 and socializing our entire system.

I second a proposal to put it to the states, one of the benefits of having 50 states is each one can try something and after some time the best system can be adopted nationally if need be.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:59 am

Comrade Tortoise wrote: Usually yes. Canada recently opened up the option of purchasing one's own plan, but they still pay into the government one.

That's not completely accurate. There has never been an issue about being able buy additional private insurance coverage in Canada (frequently done for travelling out of the country). What is being fought over (the issue is far from entirely settled) is the status and legality of private healthcare providers inside the country that aren't part of the national healthcare system. The whole issue is complicated and in a state of flux. so expect the details to change on relatively short notice.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:01 am

bobowal35 wrote:I'm your tippical southern redneck. kill the queers, get rid of the wetbacks, pro-death penalty, and to those damn basterds who wahnt to rid our goverment of religinan: FUCK OFF!!!

*points and laughs*

Bratty · Post by **Bratty** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:22 pm

Liberal, but with odd bouts of conservatism thrown in at certain times.

Hardly anyone or anything is that black and white any more.

I am national centric, bordering on socialistic tendancies, believe in SOLID seperation of church and state for equality regardless of religion or lack there of, and for social reform and change.

However, I do believe in the death penalty, think that affirmative action is outdated if any good at all, and believe that immigration should be contained.

But even so, I am liberal to the core. Robert is even more liberal than I am.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:32 pm

I'm registered Republican, but lean left on most issues. Pro-gay rights, pro-weed legalization, pro-choice, and so on.

However, I do lean right on things. A strong military (fuck you in the ass hard, Rumsfeld), gun ownership (I would argue that is a more liberal stance in the same vein as gay rights et al are, but American poitical parties are so fucked anyways I don't think it matters), etc.

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