Moderator: LadyTevar
No. He disassociated while he was "abused" he slipped into a happy place. He doesnt "crave" it like Nalifan thinks, but he is certainly disfunctional.LadyTevar wrote:But is it true?Comrade Tortoise wrote:Nice. Very nice.
Nalifan doesn't believe he craves it. He said a number of things as a part of his fishing expedition, trying to find out what remarks hit home.Comrade Tortoise wrote:
No. He disassociated while he was "abused" he slipped into a happy place. He doesnt "crave" it like Nalifan thinks, but he is certainly disfunctional.
Bullshit. If you're powerful enough to have a chance against them in a duel, escape and evasion is quite possible. Nalifan is completely correct and even your character bio agrees with him. Astinius had almost no chance in combat against his former master. It was Spellfire which turned the tide, a gift Nalifan doesn't know about and Astinius isn't eager to reveal. Nalifan's conclusions are entirely correct based on the evidence he has at the time.he didnt escape because..well...can you really escape a wizard that easily? One spell and he knows where you are, and teleports to you. You HAVE to kill them to escape.
Possibly. There is undoubtedly some truth in one of the things Nalifan suggested. Nalifan doesn't know what exactly Astinius is concealing, but clearly Astinius craves affection. He flaunts his wounds and brags about his virtue so much, he craves the aprobation of others. It would in fact be natural for Astinius to have mixed and confused emotions during his decades long ordeal. This doesn't mean he did anything wrong, of course, just that he feels guilty about some of the things he felt. Nalifan, of course, has more experience observing these sorts of situations and relationships than most other people.As for Jealousy... no, Nalifan was off the mark there... at least as I originally wrote the character
Indeed. And that is where he is spot on.Nalifan doesn't know what exactly Astinius is concealing, but clearly Astinius craves affection. He flaunts his wounds and brags about his virtue so much, he craves the aprobation of others. It would in fact be natural for Astinius to have mixed and confused emotions during his decades long ordeal. This doesn't mean he did anything wrong, of course, just that he feels guilty about some of the things he felt. Nalifan, of course, has more experience observing these sorts of situations and relationships than most other people.
Bullshit. If you're powerful enough to have a chance against them in a duel, escape and evasion is quite possible. Nalifan is completely correct and even your character bio agrees with him. Astinius had almost no chance in combat against his former master. It was Spellfire which turned the tide, a gift Nalifan doesn't know about and Astinius isn't eager to reveal. Nalifan's conclusions are entirely correct based on the evidence he has at the time.
Yes, it does. If your a wizard, you will be powerful enough to flee and hide from another wizard before you are powerful enough to have a good chance of beating him in a spell duel. The scry blocking spells are more effective and generally lower level than scrying ones, for example. Nalifan also mentioned other equalizers like poison first. It was Astinius insistence that he beat him in a spell duel while concealing his use of spellfire that skewed the results.Comrade Tortoise wrote:
Indeed. Doesnt make his statement true in the pure sense though. Just correct based upon what he has available.
*shrug* Either way, the bastard was immolated.Cynical Cat wrote:Yes, it does. If your a wizard, you will be powerful enough to flee and hide from another wizard before you are powerful enough to have a good chance of beating him in a spell duel. The scry blocking spells are more effective and generally lower level than scrying ones, for example. Nalifan also mentioned other equalizers like poison first. It was Astinius insistence that he beat him in a spell duel while concealing his use of spellfire that skewed the results.Comrade Tortoise wrote:
Indeed. Doesnt make his statement true in the pure sense though. Just correct based upon what he has available.
So his logic was sound, but his conclusion was wrong. The two are not mutually exclusive, and that's what Tortoise said.Cynical Cat wrote:Yes, it does. If your a wizard, you will be powerful enough to flee and hide from another wizard before you are powerful enough to have a good chance of beating him in a spell duel. The scry blocking spells are more effective and generally lower level than scrying ones, for example. Nalifan also mentioned other equalizers like poison first. It was Astinius insistence that he beat him in a spell duel while concealing his use of spellfire that skewed the results.Comrade Tortoise wrote:
Indeed. Doesnt make his statement true in the pure sense though. Just correct based upon what he has available.
Comrade Tortoise wrote:Well, he would have been questioned when he joined the organization, and certainly when the Church of Tyr questioned him about the very very violent death of his master.
(besides, I created him, I know his past better than anyone, seeing as I spawned it)
Not to 'me too'... but I'm with CynCat on this one. Astinius did spend a lot of years learning from this master, and submitting unwillingly to the master's attentions. Even with coercions, this is going to become a 'habit' that Astinius would have fallen into. The idea that he's fighting it, trying to break out of it, makes him a stronger character. It also gives a better reason for his wimpiness (no offense, Tortoise).Cynical Cat wrote:Comrade Tortoise wrote:Well, he would have been questioned when he joined the organization, and certainly when the Church of Tyr questioned him about the very very violent death of his master.
(besides, I created him, I know his past better than anyone, seeing as I spawned it)
Yes and were the questions every like "did you ever have mixed emotions regarding your master during those decades of abuse when he was also teaching you magic and you were pretending to love him?"
As for what you believe about Astinius, well this is an alternate universe version of him if you want him untainted by an emotional ambiguity at any point in his existence.
Frankly, I find Rogue and yours rejection of the idea that Astinius might have had at any time mixed feelings, which he may have never acted on and in no way make him a bad person, ridiculous.
Star Wars without a dramatic space chase would be wrong on too many levels to count. I hope it will live up to your expectations.LadyTevar wrote:Re: ShadowWar
I can't wait to see how you'll play this battle, Cat.
My friend, you have never disappointed me.Cynical Cat wrote:Star Wars without a dramatic space chase would be wrong on too many levels to count. I hope it will live up to your expectations.LadyTevar wrote:Re: ShadowWar
I can't wait to see how you'll play this battle, Cat.
You missed the thrust entirely. The Vara'Dome is very unpopular among the more orthodox sects of Tyr's church. It wouldn't have been Gaheris, and Gaheris wouldn't think less of him for it, but someone would have thoroughly explored not only Astinius' past, but Gaheris' and anyone else important in the order. To be perfectly clear: There are those in the hierarchy that would see Gaheris removed from lordship and ejected from any post in the clergy not only because of his past but because of his present methods. I mean, come on, contributing to the corruption of the city guard? How well would that go over with the law-minded branches of the clergy? And that's pretty low on the ladder.Cynical Cat wrote:Comrade Tortoise wrote:Well, he would have been questioned when he joined the organization, and certainly when the Church of Tyr questioned him about the very very violent death of his master.
(besides, I created him, I know his past better than anyone, seeing as I spawned it)
Yes and were the questions every like "did you ever have mixed emotions regarding your master during those decades of abuse when he was also teaching you magic and you were pretending to love him?"
As for what you believe about Astinius, well this is an alternate universe version of him if you want him untainted by an emotional ambiguity at any point in his existence.
Frankly, I find Rogue and yours rejection of the idea that Astinius might have had at any time mixed feelings, which he may have never acted on and in no way make him a bad person, ridiculous.
You're missing the point. Again and again. There is no ammunition to be found against Gaheris if Astinius never did anything wrong but carries (undeserved) guilt from the abuse he suffered. That say the first strong emotion Astinius felt when he saw his master was looking at another boy isn't a condemnation of Astinius or the reason he fought his master, but it can be a gigantic source of guilt. It's certainly not useful against Gaheris.Rogue 9 wrote: You missed the thrust entirely. The Vara'Dome is very unpopular among the more orthodox sects of Tyr's church. It wouldn't have been Gaheris, and Gaheris wouldn't think less of him for it, but someone would have thoroughly explored not only Astinius' past, but Gaheris' and anyone else important in the order. To be perfectly clear: There are those in the hierarchy that would see Gaheris removed from lordship and ejected from any post in the clergy not only because of his past but because of his present methods. I mean, come on, contributing to the corruption of the city guard? How well would that go over with the law-minded branches of the clergy? And that's pretty low on the ladder.
Good, because I'm a little worried about being clumsy and ham handed with it.LadyTevar wrote:Re: Raven
I love the tension you have building there, the fear, the stress. It's perfect
