TGOD OOC Thread.

[Robert Walper]

Hey, it's not my fault that the Phoenix is so powerful! Do you guys really have the heart to let Galadriel fight the Phoenix alone? :(

No. I'd think it would take Galadriel, Gandalf, Melian, and probably Walper too just to fight the Phoenix and have a chance of winning.

Hey now! No downplaying Walper here...he's more powerful than the rest (excluding Pheonix) combined! :P

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

No. I'd think it would take Galadriel, Gandalf, Melian, and probably Walper too just to fight the Phoenix and have a chance of winning.

Well I guess Galadriel doesn't have to defeat the Phoenix. After all, Darth Kreshna only wants the woman he still loves. Actually, Irene still misses him as well. It won't be easy, though. I guess she'll be horrified, particularly when witnessing the 'supernatural battle', at what a monster Kreshna has become.

Not to mention, I'm wanting to cut back on the amount of fighting Galadriel does. Yeah, she's fought when the plot requires, but she's an oracle and Ra's aid in running state affairs, not GI Jane.

Yup. Agree on that. That's why I also invite Lord Detritus, Lord Walper, and Lady Adam (played by Destructionator XV) to join Galadriel in the fight, because they are all Heads of the State which normally do not engage in personell combat; to emphasize the point that Galadriel is not GI Jane either.

Even more considering how I've been called Lord Ra on occasion. :P

That's why I'm sticking with Darth Kreshna. ;)

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Hey now! No downplaying Walper here...he's more powerful than the rest (excluding Pheonix) combined! :P

Dunno', Galadriel is a Maiar becomes a Jedi; Lord and Lady Adam are both Wizards, and Lord Detritus is a minor god.

Hey, don't blame me. It is what they say! :P

[Ra]

Galadriel is an Elf that becomes a Jedi;

Corrected. Don't forget, though, that Galadriel was a powerful magic-user (sorceress, if you will) before she was taught the ways of the Force. I wouldn't say she's a Jedi, per se, though her powers are probably currently on par with Mace Windu.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Well, while we're talking about powers here, I guess it's time for a question I've been thinking all this time:

Lord Walper is a Jedi assimilated by the Borg. Well, I don't know but I don't think a Jedi is THAT powerful. Granted an ordinary human assimilated by the Borg would gain more physical prowess than normal (like Seven of Nine), so an assimilated Jedi would be even more powerful (The Force plus physical enhancements), but would he be more powerful than, say, a wizard? Or a minor god?

(Yes Galadriel is a wizard but Tolkien's magic are more subtle and "weaker" than, say, Dungeons and Dragons).

The only way I can see Lord Walper boosting his Force is by absorbing the life-force of the Collective, like the way he did when communicating with the Phoenix. I guess Robert may want to make a more detailed elaboration on Lord Walper's power.


EDIT: Darth Kreshna, despite how powerful the Phoenix Entity is, still can be "beaten" in personell-level combat given certain situations. Like any Phoenix incarnations in Marvel comics, he still have weakness to exploit: his emotional instability due to the Phoenix's influence; his power level also fluctuates. Yes, he can still be "beaten" in certain occassion, but not permanently.

[Ra]

OK, perhaps we need to come up with a "power ranking" of our main characters? Something like this, with a rating of one to ten.

Darth Kreshna (Phoenix powers) 10
Melian (Maiar powers) 8
Walper (Enhanced Force powers) 6.8
Galadriel (Force powers and subtle magic) 6
Khardem (Guardian powers) 6
Lady of A'millian (powerful magic) 5.5
Lord Adam (powerful magic) 5
Smith (Force abilities and mad Matrix moves) 4.5
Dietritus (Brute strength and a big gun) 2
Patterson (Blastech E-11 carbine and excellent martial arts skills) 1.7
Ra (Personal Force field; physically weak) 1

Not sure about this, especially when it comes to Destructionator's charaters. Even so, Galadriel is more powerful than the Lady, but is more or less tied with Khardem. He's got powerful abilities of his own. Like KAN said, Tolkienverse magic is limited; most of Galadriel's abilities are from her Force adeptness.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Walper (Enhanced Force powers) 6.8
Galadriel (Force powers and subtle magic) 6

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Lady of A'millian (powerful magic) 5.5
Lord Adam (powerful magic) 5

See, this is my biggest question. Is The Force > Magic? I think wizards like Dr. Strange or Raistlin would waste Darth Vader.

Smith (Force abilities and mad Matrix moves) 4.5

I just like to add some notes that despite his power, Smith is basically nothing more than slave. His personality is engineered by The Organization to obey the likes of CSM.

And his Matrix-esque powers in our STGOD universe is explained by semi-corporeal aspect of the Guardians (like changing other people into Smith, although I would propose the change would be temporary in our universe.). Agent Smiths were actually the missing children during the conspiracy.

Dietritus (Brute strength and a big gun) 2

I guess you're mistaking Detritus and Flotsam. Dartzap once said Detritus is a god; it is Flotsam that has the Duke Nukem-ish brute force. ;)

Regarding to Darth Kreshna and Melian, I guess they should be way above the others. The Phoenix entity is almost omnipotent, while a Maiar is a god (isn't it)?

[Robert Walper]

Well, while we're talking about powers here, I guess it's time for a question I've been thinking all this time:

Lord Walper is a Jedi assimilated by the Borg. Well, I don't know but I don't think a Jedi is THAT powerful. Granted an ordinary human assimilated by the Borg would gain more physical prowess than normal (like Seven of Nine), so an assimilated Jedi would be even more powerful (The Force plus physical enhancements), but would he be more powerful than, say, a wizard? Or a minor god?

(Yes Galadriel is a wizard but Tolkien's magic are more subtle and "weaker" than, say, Dungeons and Dragons).

The only way I can see Lord Walper boosting his Force is by absorbing the life-force of the Collective, like the way he did when communicating with the Phoenix. I guess Robert may want to make a more detailed elaboration on Lord Walper's power.

I thought I'd made it fairly clear, but I'll elaborate:

Originally, Robert was an apprentice of Petrosjko. But his arrogance overcame him, and he challenged Petro's position as Master. They ended up fighting on some lava planet, where Petro defeated Robert. Robert lost both legs and one arm here, was severely burned and left for dead.

Meanwhile, the Borg Collective was beginning it's objective of assimilating anything of interest. Although perhaps somewhat out of character, the Collective formed a couple of alliances, and in doing so decided they needed a "speaker" Borg to deal with said allies. They wanted an individual with a high midiclorian count to further their understanding of the Force and perhaps counter the other supernatural individuals/powers throughout the system. It went well for them for the first bit, but then Robert managed to mentally beat the Borg Queen who controls the Collective. He ended up in the Borg Queen's host body. His original assimilated body was just walking torso made possible by Borg technology. Walper didn't want to stick around in the Queen's body, so he had the Collective build it's most advanced drone model aka "One" seen from Voyager. Highly advanced, it's the strongest, fastest, most adaptable body the Borg can make. The body's organic aspect was cloned from Robert's original tissue, with the midiclorian levels artificially boosted to 60,000. Robert noted it could have been more, but it was all he needed. His goal was to make a body and mind capable of channelling the entire Force potential of the Collective. The Queen's brain (now hosting Robert's mind) was tranfered into the drone body. He then built two new lightsabers for his use and of course carries them around at all times.

Robert's powers became apparent when he crushed a single Borg cube into rubble as a test, apparently effortlessly.

His first application of his new Force power levels was during a large scale engagement with Destructor's forces. He crushed multiple starships into useless hulks and tossed around many dozens of huge starships, smashing them into eachother and pulverizing a massive battleship by slamming multiple smaller starships into it. He succeeded in crushing the bow of Destructor's flagship. But at that point the limits to Lord Walper's powers became apparent. Dozens of nearby cubes had lost their entire crew complement, and others were severely handicapped in their fighting ability and losing ground. What looked like an invincible Force user had backfired. Lord Walper had access to enormous Force potential, but the drain could easily kill hundreds of thousands of drones at once. Overdoing it could even cripple the entire Collective beyond repair. Hence, Walper's impressive Force powers rely upon the existence of the Collective. If it is lost, he's back to a mere "above average Jedi"(still has the 60,000 midiclorian count).

The Daleks engaged a Borg fleet sometime back as well. They falsely believed they have inflicted heavy losses to a fleet of some 450 Borg cubes (150 cubes according to their assessment). But it turned out the lost cubes were mostly due to a massive Force Storm Walper employed to destroy just over a thousand Dalek vessels. Again, the use of great power comes at a heavy cost.

Naturally Robert had to get the Collective back into shape...it was being damaged more by his Force usage than the enemies he was fighting. Hence the Borg fleets retreated to Borg space, adopting a passive/aggressive stance while building up more ships and resources.

During the introduction of the Phoenix, Robert again drained the Collective's energies to challenge the Pheonix being's presence through a powerful telepathic message. Although Robert had learned and put the entire Collective into a regenerate state to mimimize the drain.

That about sums up "Lord Walper".

[Ra]

Revised list, 1 to 100

God
Illuvatar 100

Valar
Manwe 40
Morgoth 37
Tulkas 35?

Super-entities (Maiar and others)
Darth Kreshna (Phoenix powers) 20
Sauron (Dark powers) 19
Melian (Maiar powers) 19
Gandalf the White (Istari) 17
Saurman (Istari) 15
Balrogs 10?
Khardem (Guardian powers) 10

Force-adepts
Walper (Enhanced Force powers) 14
Palpatine 12
Darth Vader 11.5
Yoda 11?
Galadriel (Force powers and subtle magic) 10
Mace Windu 10?
Smith (Force abilities and mad Matrix moves) 4.5

Magic-users
Lady of A'millian (powerful magic) 9.5
Lord Adam (powerful magic) 9
Galadriel (Eldar powers, before Dathomir) 6

Other
Ripped-shirt Kirk 4
Flotsam (Brute strength and a big gun) 2.6
Patterson (Blastech E-11 carbine and excellent martial arts skills) 2
Stormtroopers 1.8
Kull Warriors 1.6
Colonel O'Niell 1.4
Ra (Personal Force field; physically weak) 1

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Hence, Walper's impressive Force powers rely upon the existence of the Collective. If it is lost, he's back to a mere "above average Jedi"(still has the 60,000 midiclorian count).

I see.

I guess it's time for us to elaborate the power of our characters. I will start by explaining Darth Kreshna.

Darth Kreshna was born with immense Force potential; still greater than Anakin Skywalker or even the Emperor himself. But here's a drawback; he is inherently a Force-Blind. Imagine a blind person walking to a wall, but instead of being hurt, he merely crushes the wall by walking through, without even realizing the wall is there.

He then entered the Imperial Spaceforce Academy and became a very promising TIE Fighter pilot, still didn't realize about his own Force power.

During a lone reconnaissance mission, he encountered the Phoenix Entity and became its host, without even realizing (he is Force-Blind, remember?). But since then, he always felt a sub-conscious "mental hunger" that can only be satisfied by being close to dying people. That's why he involved himself in many dangerous missions, great battles, and the likes, because the deaths of friends and foes alike satisfy his hunger.

During his career, Kreshna joined the Secret Order of the Emperor (TIE Fighter computer game). Because the Secret Order also works as counter-intelligence organization, Kreshna also performed James Bond-esque spionage missions under the code name of "Triple Six" (sounds cheesy? Any better ideas?). Examples of his adventures are discovering Admiral Harkov's illegal arms dealing (internal), and stopping Goldfinger... er, Huttfinger plan to radiate Imperial's gold treasury to take advantage of the following increase in gold prices (external). *James Bond's theme plays in the background*

Later, Kreshna rescued the Emperor from the traitorous Admiral Zaarin (TIE Fighter computer game) and became a Sith apprentice. Palpatine taught him to 'ignore' the hunger using the Dark Side. For some unknown reason, the Emperor also perform strange Sith rituals on him to "attune" Darth Kreshna's life-force to himself.

As a note, it is hard to understand why the Emperor would adopt a Force-Blind as an apprentice. Rumors said that Palpatine was actually looking for a Force-Blind for some unknown reason.

Nevertheless, being favored by the Emperor, Darth Kreshna quickly made his way to the top of the Secret Order, and finally became the Sith Inquisitor.

However, shortly after the invasion of the Sol System, he felt the hunger again, kicking BIG TIME. Driven by some unknown instinct, he went back to Dathomir and massacring Witches and Nightsisters alike to consume their life-force. The life-force boost awakened the dormant Phoenix Entity inside, and Darth Kreshna went insane.

The Guardians were alarmed by the awakening of the Phoenix. They invaded the corporeal dimension ("our" dimension), went after Darth Kreshna, and started attacking the sentients using their song.

Thus, the Clash of the Titans started.

As a Phoenix Incarnation, Darth Kreshna is almost omnipotent. However, whether he is aware of how much power he has is still in question. In earlier stages, most of his feats are driven by sub-conscious instincts while he didn't know how did he do such things on the first place. An example when he "de-materialized" Lord Walper physical form, transported him through light-years distance, and "re-materialized" him again aboard the Death Star: If someone asked how did he do that, he didn't know either. It's just instinct.

Later, Galadriel merged her soul briefly with Darth Kreshna, taking him to a Maiar's paradise (?) and showing him the mirror, letting the possessed Sith Lord to take a look into his own soul.

Big mistake.

Turned that the Phoenix Entity was not the only thing dormant inside him; there were also surpressed grief, pain, and dark emotions he had been using to manipulate the Dark Side (Sith's teaching). One of them was his past romance with Irene Patterson. On the past, the two was involved in a deep romance, but Irene chose to marry Lieutenant Victor Patterson of the Imperial Navy. Little did Kreshna know that it was not Irene's own choice, but imposed by her mother. Her mother was already disappointed by Irene's non-lucrative choice of becoming a Stormtrooper, and then she forced her, through various emotional blackmails, to marry someone with rich background. She often berated her daughter for "not contributing to the financially declined family of her own".

Soon after Irene's marriage, Darth Kreshna rescued the Emperor and chose to distract himself in his Dark Side training (channeling the negative emotions for more productive use, like choking people to death using The Force). When Captain Patterson met his death later, it was too late for Irene to try to reconcile.

Nevertheless, the dark emotions of Darth Kreshna had been merged seamlessly with the Phoenix Entity since he looked at the mirror. Now he just became more "powerful" than before, gaining more control of the Phoenix powers inside him. Now he is becoming a full Dark Phoenix.
OOC: what I mean by "powerful" is more control of the Phoenix powers. The power of the Phoenix itself did not increase by the incident (looking at the mirror, that is).


As a Phoenix Incarnation, Darth Kreshna has potential to perform incredible feats like causing a star to go supernova, among other things. Also, everytime he exhibits his power, a bird-shaped fiery aura is formed, shrouding his human physique. The size of the bird varies from slightly larger than humans, to several kilometers in length. He can also "release" his fiery aura to shroud and protect a target he choose; mostly Star Destroyers to protect them from the Guardian's song. He can also perform incredible feasts like consuming other's life-force, destroying ships like Star Destroyers with ease, moving a planet (potentially), or re-arrange matters in mollecular level (potentially). He can also survive vacuum for unlimited duration, and capable of flight.

That's not saying that he is undefeatable in personell-level combat. Like Phoenix Incarnations before him, his power is unstable. Given certain circumstances and luck, it is possible for the likes of Galadriel to temporarily "defeat" him. Remember, though, he is an immortal and cannot be permanently defeated (except if someone tricks him or appeals to his conscience to commit suicide like Jean Grey did in X-Men).



Darth Kreshna wielding his Phoenix power


OOC: before you protest, Jean Grey detonated a star in X-Men: Dark Phoenix Saga. For more references of the Phoenix, you can read Marvel comic issues depicting the Phoenix.

[Ra]

KAN, I told you to stop that shit with Galadriel. I was not joking.
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

KAN, I told you to stop that shit with Galadriel. I was not joking.
- Ra

Alright, alright! Edited! Jesus, Ra. She's only a fictitious character.... :P

Alright, anybody else care to elaborate the powers of their character? Lord Adam is still mysterious to me. What is he capable of?

[Ra]

Well, as I said in my "pecking order", Ra is probably the weakest character. He's an arrogant dictator that has legions of Kull Warriors to do his bidding. He has no magic powers, is not Force-adept, and has a personal shield for protection. Ra's strengths are cunning and utter ruthlessness. If Galadriel is not a fighter, then he's a coward.

Galadriel has strong Force abilities, but she's still on the Light Side. She can throw Force lightning, and has telekinetic abilities. Also, she has exellent swordsmanship skills (Eldar techniques, rather than Jedi training) and already posessed mad telepathy skills. Her powers are amplified and better-focused by her ring Nenya, although she hasn't worn it since confronting the Phoenix Entity. That will change when Darth Kreshna returns to kill/capture/torture/slap/fuck/something Patterson. Galadriel has meditated on what happened, and will have a way to prevent the Phoenix from using the ring against her.
- Ra

[Destructionator vs wank]

OOC: take a look on this pic to see the Executor survived three ramming Star Destroyersl. No, I ain't wanking. A Guardian vessel equals TWO Star Destroyers, but Star Battleships like Executor or Eclipse class are still more powerful. So no, I'm not wanking.

I see this pic over and over again as "proof" that the Exectutor is godly. I've never read a SW comic, but frankly, I'm not convinced this makes it so powerful. The kinetic energy would be big (I need to know the mass of a stardestroyer to know) but where is the proof that they were moving at relatavistic speeds? Hyperspace speeds can't be user AT ALL in energy calculations, so we would need to measure their real space speed, which may be small.

A better example of SSD shield strength would be RotJ, where the Exectutor's bridge shield was taken out by bombardment by the Rebel fleet. Sure, that isn't its full shield, but the important bridge shield definitaly collapsed under fire from the Rebellion. If the Rebels can do it, so can the bioships which are supposed to equal 2 ISDs, which are greater than the Rebel cruisers.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

That will change when Darth Kreshna returns to kill/capture/torture/slap/fuck/something Patterson.

Ra!

Darth Kreshna is NOT there to spank Irene! He is there to rescue her from Imperial death squad that is going to be sent to assassinate her.

See, like I've mentioned in my post, Irene was Darth Kreshna's girlfriend. Although it was before Kreshna rescued the Emperor, he had already a Secret Order member at that time. So the Empire is afraid that Darth Kreshna had shared government secrets with her in bed. While that is not necessarily true, the Empire would take precautions, just to make sure. The Empire is going to insert an assasin to secretly infiltrate the Goa'ulds and kill Irene.

But Darth Kreshna would be consumed with bitterness and brooding while doing so. He hates Irene for dumping him, but he still love her deeply ("we can only hate someone we love"); thus his attempt to rescue her. Consider this: you love someone, but you also hate her for breaking your heart. And now you are going to help her because you're still in love with her, despite she have dumped you and hurt you in the past.

Not to mention Ra would prevent him for doing so (because he doesn't understand why Kreshna would take her). Then Darth Kreshna would be really mad. There will be A LOT of misunderstanding between them.

If the Rebels can do it, so can the bioships which are supposed to equal 2 ISDs, which are greater than the Rebel cruisers.

That's why I didn't mention how many Guardian Bioships were actually there; to prevent the post from being an Eclipse-wanking post. When I'm not sure about the exact power comparison, I always avoid using numbers.

How many Rebel cruisers was available on Endor? I think we can use it as yardstick to determine how many Guardian ships can take down an Executor.

[Ra]

Destructionator forgot to factor in the energy from the Star Destroyers' Solar Ionization Reactors. They probably made the majority of the explosive force. Considering the firepower an ISD brings to bear, her reactor is quite powerful.
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Nevertheless, I believe it is still reasonable to assume that a Calamari Cruiser is equal to a Star Destroyer, thus estimating the number of Guardian Bioships needed to take down an Executor, or an Eclipse.

Shields

The Executor's shielding defences were one of its most formidable features [according to the Williamson Classic STAR WARS comic strips]. The ship was considered virtually unassailable in the years between the battles of Yavin and Hoth. During the Battle of Endor, Admiral Ackbar realised that the mighty flagship could be defeated if his Calamarian cruisers subjected the shields to an especially concerted barrage, resulting in shield failure and exposure of sensitive structures (eg. bridge and scanner globes) to pinpoint starfighter strafing.

In the present literature there are few quantitative indications of the Executor's precise shield strength. We know that a deliberate and concentrated bombardment by somewhere between half a dozen and two dozen Mon Calamari cruisers caused shield failure within a matter of minutes. Unfortunately we can't quantify the shield capacity directly because we don't yet know the maximum output of Mon Calamari warships' guns. To total yield of Ackbar's barrage was probably the equivalent of a continual bombardment by a comparable number of Imperial star destroyers over the same time period.

This upper limit on the shield capacity is complemented by a lower limit provided by the Classic STAR WARS comics, which chronicle an accident in which Admiral Griff's three destroyers or light cruisers (of at least one mile length) collided with the particle shields at presumably relativistic speeds (during reentry from hyperspace). The three impactors were annihilated, and Executor was unscathed but suffered serious temporary shield loss, requiring it to delay its mission.

The image of this incident carries interesting hints about the dynamics of particle shields. The fireballs from the collided ships were flattened along a smooth surface that stands several hundred metres above Executor's dorsal cortex. This presumably is the depth into the field at which the velocities of the fastest debris particles were damped to zero velocity relative to Executor. It may be representative of an equipotential surface corresponding to the kinetic energy or momentum density of the impactors.

Back to the topic, who's interested to join Galadriel to fight Darth Kreshna? Would Destructionator play Lady Adam? How about Dartzap as Detritus?

The outcome is still undetermined; let alone how the story would progress accordingly. Darth Kreshna can win, or lose. Despite the incredible display of power he would display, he still vulnerable to psychological exploits, which in turn would affect his power fluctuations. Like I said, a Phoenix host is emotionally vulnerable; due to the 'insanity factor' of becoming the host. On the other hand, the mentally-stable Rachel Summers is way less powerful than Jean Grey. So I think the instability can both weaken or boost the power; depending on circumstances.

I would imagine a mad Darth Kreshna would receive a power boost, but would also be more vulnerable to attack (be it physical, magical, etc).

[Ra]

True. Anyway, there needs to be multiple people fighting, and it should be low-key. This doesn't need to be the "final battle" with the Phoenix. Also remember, Galadriel needs to be in top form for her epic confrontation with Khardem. That should take place right at the end, at any rate.
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

True. Anyway, there needs to be multiple people fighting, and it should be low-key. This doesn't need to be the "final battle" with the Phoenix.

Agree. I imagine the final battle would be something really "cosmic", while huge space battles between the Empire and the Guardians ensue in the background in the final showdown.

[Destructionator XV]

I just PMed this to KAN, but I think it has a use here, too:

Nitpick: the Lady is heading home with the science ships. Galadriel beamed her back over there. One of them will be there, while the other has to worry about politics back home.

However, they will share all their knowledge. The questions that will arise:

Will Lord Adam want to abandon Khardem? He has proven useful already, and keeping him around may still do good.

Will he be able to get rid of him? With public opinion favouring Khardem strongly, could he be publicly denounced without major consequences? Or will the guardians use their strength to strong arm Adam into keeping a lid on things?



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On the power rankings: I would have to say Walper is more powerful than Yoda right now. Yoda was awefully strained getting Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp in ESB, and Walper was tossing warships around.

[Robert Walper]

On the power rankings: I would have to say Walper is more powerful than Yoda right now. Yoda was awefully strained getting Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp in ESB, and Walper was tossing warships around.

I have to admit I'm somewhat confused about Walper's ranking in the power chart there? Under Palpatine and Vader? I would've said quite a bit above.

I'm generally going by the movies, where Palpatine's throwing of Senate pods and Force lightening displays is his upper limits. The EU wanks him far beyond that with Force Storms, etc, but I've ignored that.

Walper's powers seem several magnitudes greater than Palpatine or Vader (his artificially enhanced midiclorian levels of 60,000 alone should make him more powerful). And there's a reason for such power (tossing/crushing entire starshis, Force Storm destroying over a thousand Dalek ships, etc), the "draining" of Force energy from the Collective.

My goal was to make Walper extremely powerful, but it's dependent upon a source capable of being physcially assaulted (Borg ships, facilities...mainly the drones are the source) and an even further weakness is the bigger displays of power weaken the collective as well.

I was under the impression Walper would be significantly higher up the power chart, while having weaknesses the others don't. For example, all the other users just "have" the power, mine has a defineable source capable of being destroyed and even gets weakened just by usage.

:?

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

However, they will share all their knowledge. The questions that will arise:

Will Lord Adam want to abandon Khardem? He has proven useful already, and keeping him around may still do good.

Will he be able to get rid of him? With public opinion favouring Khardem strongly, could he be publicly denounced without major consequences? Or will the guardians use their strength to strong arm Adam into keeping a lid on things?

See, that's the problem. And that's the part of the game! :D

I've kept telling that Khardem influence is SUBTLE. It is not some sort of mass-hypnotic or such; that would be cheap. Khardem gains his influence by being useful; gaining the favor of Lord Adam while rallying public sympathy. Granted Lady Adam hates him, but still....

So, *you* as Lord Adam should decide for yourself: should you get rid of Khardem? What are the (game) consequences of getting rid of him? What are the consequences of NOT getting rid of him? How the storyline would evolve based on your decision?

Remember: the Guardian is evil from Galadriel's perspective, but that is because she knows the Guardian is going to eradicate all sentient life. Or does he? (Ra, please clarify. I don't quite remember: does she already know their specific goal?)

But from the A'millan perspective, are the Guardians evil? So far, the Guardians are helping them! Alright, the Guardians used the A'millians technological marvel to help them build a Nexus (which was destroyed by the Terror), but what is the function of the Nexus? So far, nobody knows. Moreover, from the A'millan's perspective, the Nexus doesn't do harm to them (or at least not yet?), so what's wrong with helping the Guardians building the Nexus? In fact, the Guardians were helping them against the Goa'ulds and the Empire.

See, that's the fun part of writing an interactive story like we are doing in this STGOD; the plot may evolve into something we don't know yet. Back to the problem, would Lord Adam get rid of Khardem? Or at least, would he do it NOW? Frankly, I see no reason why. And like I said, Khardem's influence is subtle.

Take a look at the alliance breakup between the Goa'ulds and the Empire: nobody had predicted that (although the public exposure of Ra's actions on Coruscant would reasonably cause a diplomatic tension), but Ra still have a chance to amend that thing. My original intention was to play a game of diplomatic negotiation, where Ra should have tried to convince Captain McKenzie within reason. However, Galadriel chose to walk out and that was beyond my anticipation. But then again, that is the FUN part of playing STGOD; nobody can predict how the story would evolve.

The most I can do is laying some backgrounds, some general purpose the characters need to achieve (stopping the destructive war) to keep cohesiveness, but how exactly, the story would evolve? It is up to us.

Ra then slammed the console, bringing up a hologram of Darth Kreshna. "Look here, asshole. I declared neutrality and formally apologized for what happened on Coruscant. OK? Now begone or we'll reduce your fleet to ashes!"

Kreshna laughed. "I don't fear your fleet, Ra. You're a second-rate power."

"Need I remind you that you're outnumbered twenty to one, and that Baal's reinforcements are inbound? Or that I have the Great Eyes aboard this ship, ready to electrocute your asses?"

"Hand over Irene, or I will destroy you."

"OH MY FUCKING BADNESS. Are you really that utterly stupid? To think that I'd buy a grabasstical story like that? Ooh, I'm gonna risk a big war just to get my old flame back, because she might be with ol' Snakey. Why are you here?" Ra stepped closer. "WHY are you here?"

Kreshna's eyes blazed. Ra returned an even brighter eye flash, but he ignored it. "Is she?"

"No. She doesn't like how my voice sounds. Her loss..."

"Hand her over, Ra! I won't say it again."

"I need Major Patterson on this merry quest of mine. Think of me, her, and the Lady of Valinor here as... the Three Musketeers."

Kreshna raised an eyebrow.

"It's from Tauri fantasy. Merry band, that sort of thing?"

"HAND OVER IRENE THIS INSTANT!"

Ra leaned forward, and smiled evilly. "No."

By the way, Ra, that was nice. Like I said, there would be a lot of misunderstanding between two parties; Ra's juvenile act against Darth Kreshna would stir the misunderstanding further.

Think about it: if Ra actually bother to ask why Kreshna want Irene, then the two won't need to fight because Darth Kreshna is actually going to protect her (except if Ra really fall in love with her; then the two adult men would fight like children anyway). However, Darth Kreshna has no chance to explain because Ra drives him mad first.


But here's a nitpick: the Phoenix comes to the Goa'uld space alone.

"Yes, milord. Would you mind to elaborate the destination so we could program the NavCom earlier?"

"The Goa'uld space."

"The Goa'ulds? Should I prepare escorts, then?"


"No. This is a matter I will handle my own."

Now how would we retcon that?

[Josh]

Commissar Petrosjko was a Jedi Knight who kicked Lord Walper around the block, then ducked out of the Jedi Order pre-Clone Wars. He took off and slid his way into the Imperium, finding himself a nice, reasonably respectable position and has spent most of his time trying to avoid having to do anything resembling work, with a notable lack of success on that front.

Consider him to be pretty much average as a Jedi, and pretty rusty with his lightsaber at this point. His main assets are his cunning and charisma.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Consider him to be pretty much average as a Jedi, and pretty rusty with his lightsaber at this point. His main assets are his cunning and charisma.

Well actually that was the reason of getting the idea of George Peppard playing as Petrosjko.

On the other hand, how would Petrosjko find a way to survive Lord Walper's wrath in this STGOD?

[Josh]

Well actually that was the reason of getting the idea of George Peppard playing as Petrosjko.

On the other hand, how would Petrosjko find a way to survive Lord Walper's wrath in this STGOD?

Hannibal is a good choice for a model, but when you get a chance to see Firefly (and you will! I insist!), you'll understand why Mal is good too.

As for hanging with Lord Walper, we've been discussing that, and there are some twists in store.