TGOD OOC Thread.

[Ace Pace]

Okey, I'll butt in once and leave once this is finshed.

From chatting with several players here, this TGOD has taken on a more STGODy character, complete with empire discriptions, so how about renaming this to a STGOD, creating an OOB thread and continuing on as normal?

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Alright, after my last post in the TGOD, Patterson will not appear again until the very end, when her fate, dead or alive, will be revealed. I haven't decided if she will really be dead, or come back to surprise the audience. Just a note so KAN doesn't use the character again.

It will only happen in Darth Kreshna's dreams, at most. Speaking of characters, I just introduce a new one. See my post as The Organization. ;)

By the way, I just find a way to converge the story.

See, the Guardians were evolved from the Maiars, while Lord Walper is going to conquer Sauron. Perhaps Lord Walper would have the key, althought he won't realize at first, to perform "genocide" on the Guardians?

Also remember; the Cigarette-Smoking Man is helping Ra with unknown motives. Perhaps a combination of the "telepathy virus", Lord Walper's late discovery about the Maiars, and certain locations could eradicate the Guardians once and for all?

However, I imagine Galadriel would be strongly disagree, as she still believes in "peaceful solution" (hosting the Phoenix in a Jedi), and somehow eradicating the Guardians would kill the Phoenix as well.

However, I still have no reasonable idea why eradicating the Guardians would kill the Phoenix as well. Any ideas? Ideas?


PS: I imagine these things as "general" plot guides.

(1) Ra would be more than happy eradicating the Guardians, notably because his enemy, the A'millans, is backed by the Guardians. And of course, Ra want to stay alive as well. The Guardians seek to eradicate all sentients, remember? Also, when Ra discovers (later) that eradicating the Guardians would kill the Phoenix as well, he would be more happy! (think about love rivalry!)

(2) Galadriel still believes in peaceful solution. Despite she has witnessed various atrocities, she don't want more death. Remember: she's a "good" character. Also, she had made promise to Irene that she would try her best to keep Darth Kreshna alive. And remember Irene's words: "there is still hope."

(3) I imagine Lord Walper's conquest on Middle-Earth would result in a useful discovery in formulating the genocidal solution, although he may not realize it at first.

(4) Both the Organization and the Empire is confident they can defeat the Guardians. The Organization wants the Empire to conquer the Guardians instead of eradicating them. They hope to profit greatly from new branch of science they would monopolize by exploiting the conquered Guardians.....

(5) .....but of course, the Cigarette-Smoking Man knows better!!

[Ra]

OK, recap time.

> Ra was severely injured by the Phoenix's attack, and left for dead. He's in better spirits thanks to the magical intervention of Amy Lee and Galadriel, but make no mistake; he's still pissed. He wants the Phoenix dead, and is willing to take insane risks to see that he's dead. Once he finds out (from the CSM's documents) that the Phoenix can be killed by destroying the Guardian nexus, he's only going to be that more determined to blow it up.

> Galadriel also wants to see the Phoenix stopped, more than ever, but she doesn't posess the vengeance factor that Ra does. She, being one of the Wise, is seeking a way to lure the Phoenix into a Jedi host. Two problems; One, she doesn't have a Jedi. Two, it would take multiple Force-adepts to even try to disembody the Phoenix and move it into a Jedi.

For the moment, though, her main concern is Khardem. She knows that destroying him is the only way to turn the A'millians and make the last major military move before the very end. She will have to face Khardem, alone.

> Amy Lee has gone off to Naboo, to locate CSM's bee farm. Problem is, Number Six is on her tail. She'll have to evade the Cylon before she can get into the farm and discover the truth about the Organization's scheme.

> Number Two is running the Naboo operation. If he finds Lee and discovers her Istari identity, he'll inform the Doctor and it's over.

> First Prime Srenn has been covertly trying to get Ra more "evil" by overusing the sarcophagus. However, Galadriel and Lee have been hindering that plan, and getting Ra more toward the good side. He's still a loyal soldier, but he has an agenda too. He wants a strong Ra that will dispose of his Eldar allies and crush the Free Jaffa and the Tauri. This is also a Ra that would totally fuck up and cause the Alliance to lose the war, and he is too hellbent on avenging his maltreatment by the Jaffa to care. He will cause a lot of trouble, but he would be the last to defect from Ra's side.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Possible Plot Development?

Well, the fun part of playing STGOD that the storyline could evolve beyond original intentions. I originally thought that Ra would focus on a genocidal solution to eliminate the Guardians, but considering the recent development, would they ally themselves with the Guardians, and work together against the Empire (and the Borg) to eliminate the Phoenix?

Think about a plot twist in Babylon Five where everyone ally themselves with the Shadow to eliminate the Vorlons.

[Robert Walper]

Just a note: I'm currently enjoying a surprise visit by my youngest brother (on my vacation to boot! :D), so my online activity is going to be extemely limited for the next week.

[Ra]

Possible Plot Development?

Well, the fun part of playing STGOD that the storyline could evolve beyond original intentions. I originally thought that Ra would focus on a genocidal solution to eliminate the Guardians, but considering the recent development, would they ally themselves with the Guardians, and work together against the Empire (and the Borg) to eliminate the Phoenix?

Think about a plot twist in Babylon Five where everyone ally themselves with the Shadow to eliminate the Vorlons.

Actually, Ra is wanting to do the Shep Solution on the Guardians, but he is kinda being tempted by Khardem's influence. Galadriel will have to step in and stop that, but I'm waiting for Adam's next post.

Oh, and Ra doesn't want to be mentioning his master plan to who, for all intents and purposes, is the frakking leader of the Guardians. :P
- Ra

[Destructionator XV]

You all will have to forgive my slow postings; I have been quite busy lately. Lots of stuff to do. Lots of stuff...

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

The problem is, while Ra has some feelings of hostility against the Guardians, he doesn't have anything personal for them. The case is much different than the Phoenix; Ra would have hated the Phoenix.

Consider this: why Ra should have anything personal against the Guardians? Yes, he knows the Guardians is a menace, but Galadriel would have more concern over it than Ra.

Lord & Lady Adam's position would be difficult; they knew the Guardians have corrupted into genocidal maniacs thanks to Palpatine (how exactly, and WHY Palpatine corrupted them is still a mystery), but so far the Guardians haven't done anything harmful to the A'millans. Not to mention that allying themselves with the Guardians would help them against the Empire and the Borg.

[Ra]

but so far the Guardians haven't done anything harmful to the A'millans.

Actually, the Guardians have been doing much harm to the A'millians.

1: The biolasers are slowly driving everyone in the A'millian Starfleet mad.

2: Khardem has become a new diety to much of the A'millian population, and has manipulated them to possibly revolt against their rulers. Combined with point 1, this makes the Lord and Lady's ability to end their alliance with the Guardians questionable at best.

3: The Guardians have been using A'millian troops as cannon fodder against the Goa'uld.

And slightly related,

4: The Lady knows what Khardem is up to, and is devising a plan to stop him once and for all. With Galadriel's help, that is.

But anyway, yeah, Ra hasn't gotten much trouble from the Guardians outside of them setting up a nexus on Baal's turf and sending bioships at his forces a lot. ;) His hatred against the Phoenix is much more personal.
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

EDIT: and no, Ra. There's no way in hell Amy Lee would ever rescue Lilith out of the bee farm. That would be too cheap. Besides, even now she is still struggling with her dark emotions; just watching the tortured figure taxes her soul too much, let alone carrying her out of that place. Let's keep the ancient, mythical atmosphere, shall we?


Alright, just made my latest post in STGOD thread.

Why Amy Lee feels so much familiarity with the staked figure?

Ah, well. Here's a hint: Amy Lee is an Istari (Maiar), while the Guardians were originally Maiars.

And if you wonder where I got my reference from, well I hope this pic could ring a bell: ;)

[Ra]

Uhhhhhh...

KAN, this time even I don't know what the fuck you're doing.
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Uhhhhhh...

KAN, this time even I don't know what the fuck you're doing.
- Ra

Well, you may want to read these sources:

Neon Genesis Evangelion on wikipedia

A Guide to Neon Genesis Evangelion

Neon Genesis Evangelion FAQ

Another NGE FAQ

Wikipedia source on Lilith (Lilitu)



What is the essence of the Phoenix? Yes, it is Life.

And what are the Guardians? You said they were originally Maiars. What makes Maiars different than humans?

Probably Maiars (and Guardians), ate the fruit of the Tree of Life in the begginning, thus explaining their demi-god nature? Not to mention the semi-corporeal aspect of the Guardians? Their telepathic nature?

And humans, especially Imperial humans, ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, thus explaining their technological nature?

And yes, Palpatine corrupted the Guardians, but why and how? I guess Amy Lee just discovered how Palpatine corrupted it, although she may not be sure.

And the Guardians are attacking; what are their goals? Killing the Phoenix? So far they have been pretty pathetic in achieving their goal (yes, they ships ARE powerful, but they keep destroying enemy ships instead of going right through to the Phoenix).

Maybe they need to achieve some intermediatory goal in order to achieve their purpose of killing the Phoenix?

And why Amy Lee pounded the door out of anguish? She is not a Guardian, yet she is a Maiar. The Guardians were Maiars. Now if Amy pounded the door like that, out of some mysterious drive she doesn't even understand, imagine what the Guardiands would do? Probably bashing their way through the door?

But then, what's stopping the Guardians from bombarding Naboo and infiltrating the Bee Farm from orbit?

And why are the Guardians decaying planets with no apparent purpose? Granted Ibizan is an Imperial planet, but that one Borg planet?

[frigidmagi]

KAN, Evangelion and Tolken do not mix. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Maiar would pre-exist the tree of life.

[Ra]

Quite correct. It's not really clear, but it seemed that the Maiar were around as long as the Valar and Illuvatar. Long before Men came along, which was like... a long time into history, after the Elves had been around for millenia.

One last note, the Maiar do not normally have humanoid form. They can take humanoid form if they want, but some Maiar, such as Ungoliant, took other forms. She was a giant spider, for fuck's sake! Not to mention Morgoth's Balrogs, which were also Maiar twisted to his will.
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

...and the Guardians are a group of Maiars which have chosen such form, and forever trapped in that state (although they originally stayed benevolent until Palpatine corrupted them). Remember: Guardian ships are nothing but their physical manifestations in this corporeal dimension.

A little nitpick: Lilitu was not actually 'captured' by the government (The Organization). As the plot continue, her original purpose would be discovered later. ;)

Hint: wonder where the Agent Smith's DNA came from? And the Imperial government's experiment with a new cure for allergic sinusitis some years ago? Yup, Darth Kreshna did not became a Phoenix incarnation by accident.

[Ra]

Oh, BTW, did you notice my new post? Guess who's running the Organization?
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Oh, BTW, did you notice my new post? Guess who's running the Organization?
- Ra

My shitty bandwith only allowed me to see a red X, but after refreshing several times.... :P

Who knows Ra and friends would recruit this guy to defeat The Organization?

Ah, more serious stuff now....


Further Plot Considerations

I'm thinking about suspension of disbelief and reasonable motives.


(1) IIRC the only one who got the vision that the Guardians aim to destroy all sentient lives is Galadriel, am I correct?


(2) Ra knows that fact from Galadriel, but besides the battle vs the A'millans (where the A'millans were backed by the Guardians), he has not yet experience himself how evil the Guardians is. The same couldn't be said about the Phoenix; he almost got killed in the encounter. He has more reason to hate the Phoenix than the Guardians.


(3) Why the A'millan should think the Guardians are evil? From what I've seen, the reason Lord and Lady Adam doesn't like Khardem is because he has been trying to wrest the effective power from them (they are the legitimate rulers of the A'millans, by the way). In fact, the Lady only discovered later after exploring old Guardian base. However, Lady Adam only knows that the Guardians are corrupted; IIRC she doesn't know yet that the Guardians seek to eliminate all sentients in the universe.


(4) Galadriel (and probably Lady Adam) would seek to save the universe; saving the sentient lives from Guardian's eradication. However, both Ra and Lord Adam has more practical, pragmatic concern in minds (they are Head of the States, mind you): the A'millans are still at war against the Empire and the Borg, and Goa'ulds relation with the Empire seems to get worse. From pragmatic, practical point of views, the Phoenix and the Empire are currently bigger threat than the Guardians.


(5) Probably they would co-operate with the Guardians... BUT they are also thinking to eliminate the Guardians later once they served their purpose? Both Ra and Lord Adam *know* they are making pact with the devil, so they need to get rid of the Guardians later. Moreoever, THAT would give them reasonable motives to genocide the Guardians.


(6) While the CSM would help the attempt to genocide the Guardians, the Empire won't. The Empire, influenced by The Organization, seeks to conquer the Guardians instead of mass-killing them, because they seek from huge profits and benefits of exploiting Guardians bio/psychcic tech.


(7) Captain McKenzie needs to be really convinced to defect himself (and his followers) to the Goa'ulds. Probably what motivates him is the fact that the Phoenix is a horrible murderer, especially after the Phoenix accidentally killed Irene. However, Darth Kreshna was his buddy, so killing the Phoenix may not be his idea of a good time.


(8) However, McKenzie may secretly aid the 'Army of Lights'; undercover movements and the likes, without rebelling openly to the Empire. His motivation is probably Galadriel instead of Ra. See, Darth Kreshna was his buddy, so it would be natural if he will be more interested in Galadriel's peaceful solution than Ra's 'let's-kill-the-Phoenix' solution.


(9) WAIT. There is a thing about Guardians genocidal motives. Yes, they seek to destroy all lives, but why? Yes, they became evil thanks to Palpatine's corruption, but why they have to destroy all lives?

I tend to see it as a sign of desperation; their desperate attempt to weaken, and eventually kill the Phoenix....

....or MAYBE, killing all sentients is not actually their goal; probably it is merely their war strategy against the Phoenix, to weaken the entity (remember: Phoenix = Fire = Life).


(10) Lilitu is imprisoned and 'tormented' in the Bee Farm on Naboo. What's stopping the Guardians from assaulting Naboo to rescue/retrieve Lilitu? Probably The Organization had devised some way to keep them from entering certain parts in Imperial space? But what if, somehow, the barrier is breached? What if the Guardians successfully re-unite with Lilitu? Would it mean peace? Or some nightmarish worse to all sentients?

[Ra]

(1) IIRC the only one who got the vision that the Guardians aim to destroy all sentient lives is Galadriel, am I correct?

Not exactly. Ra knows as well, he's just to angry at the Phoenix to make such a big deal about it.

(2) Ra knows that fact from Galadriel, but besides the battle vs the A'millans (where the A'millans were backed by the Guardians), he has not yet experience himself how evil the Guardians is. The same couldn't be said about the Phoenix; he almost got killed in the encounter. He has more reason to hate the Phoenix than the Guardians.

True for the most part.

(3) Why the A'millan should think the Guardians are evil? From what I've seen, the reason Lord and Lady Adam doesn't like Khardem is because he has been trying to wrest the effective power from them (they are the legitimate rulers of the A'millans, by the way). In fact, the Lady only discovered later after exploring old Guardian base. However, Lady Adam only knows that the Guardians are corrupted; IIRC she doesn't know yet that the Guardians seek to eliminate all sentients in the universe.

Galadriel told her on Riwal. And considering that they are learning more and more what Khardem is up to, they do have a few reasons to consider them evil.

(4) Galadriel (and probably Lady Adam) would seek to save the universe; saving the sentient lives from Guardian's eradication. However, both Ra and Lord Adam has more practical, pragmatic concern in minds (they are Head of the States, mind you): the A'millans are still at war against the Empire and the Borg, and Goa'ulds relation with the Empire seems to get worse. From pragmatic, practical point of views, the Phoenix and the Empire are currently bigger threat than the Guardians.

Actually, the Guardians are still attacking the Goa'uld and Trolls, despite the Ammie's ceasefire. I've gotten the impression that huge battles are being fought by NPC's while our STGODing goes on. But second, Imperial relations aren't getting worse, actually they haven't changed since Coruscant. That's what the meeting is for, it will see the Imperial renegades return to the good side.

(5) Probably they would co-operate with the Guardians... BUT they are also thinking to eliminate the Guardians later once they served their purpose? Both Ra and Lord Adam *know* they are making pact with the devil, so they need to get rid of the Guardians later. Moreoever, THAT would give them reasonable motives to genocide the Guardians.

Easier said than done. Khardem has the biolasers making the Ammies going mad, and has the civilians worshipping him, to prevent just such an attempt. And I also never said I was allying with Khardem. As soon as I would even contemplate such a plan, Galadriel would shoot it down.

(6) While the CSM would help the attempt to genocide the Guardians, the Empire won't. The Empire, influenced by The Organization, seeks to conquer the Guardians instead of mass-killing them, because they seek from huge profits and benefits of exploiting Guardians bio/psychcic tech.

True.

(7) Captain McKenzie needs to be really convinced to defect himself (and his followers) to the Goa'ulds. Probably what motivates him is the fact that the Phoenix is a horrible murderer, especially after the Phoenix accidentally killed Irene. However, Darth Kreshna was his buddy, so killing the Phoenix may not be his idea of a good time.

Yes, yes, but after seeing our inconclusive proof, he will return to our side. To ask for more proof when it's so blatantly obvious what the Phoenix did would paint your dude as being a stubborn prick. Once Galadriel and the Lady reveal their ultimate stuff at the meeting, it should be convincing enough for even him.

(8) However, McKenzie may secretly aid the 'Army of Lights'; undercover movements and the likes, without rebelling openly to the Empire. His motivation is probably Galadriel instead of Ra. See, Darth Kreshna was his buddy, so it would be natural if he will be more interested in Galadriel's peaceful solution than Ra's 'let's-kill-the-Phoenix' solution.

Yes, but he's still going to consider the Shep Solution against the Guardian uber nexus of DOOM.

(9) WAIT. There is a thing about Guardians genocidal motives. Yes, they seek to destroy all lives, but why? Yes, they became evil thanks to Palpatine's corruption, but why they have to destroy all lives?

I tend to see it as a sign of desperation; their desperate attempt to weaken, and eventually kill the Phoenix....

....or MAYBE, killing all sentients is not actually their goal; probably it is merely their war strategy against the Phoenix, to weaken the entity (remember: Phoenix = Fire = Life).

Maybe. Desperation and the fact that they're the bad guys. :P

(10) Lilitu is imprisoned and 'tormented' in the Bee Farm on Naboo. What's stopping the Guardians from assaulting Naboo to rescue/retrieve Lilitu? Probably The Organization had devised some way to keep them from entering certain parts in Imperial space? But what if, somehow, the barrier is breached? What if the Guardians successfully re-unite with Lilitu? Would it mean peace? Or some nightmarish worse to all sentients?

Probably the latter. I'd say there's a technobabble field reason to keep the Guardians away from Naboo and away from the Core Worlds.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

(1) IIRC the only one who got the vision that the Guardians aim to destroy all sentient lives is Galadriel, am I correct?

Not exactly. Ra knows as well, he's just to angry at the Phoenix to make such a big deal about it.

Oh, I see.

Galadriel told her on Riwal. And considering that they are learning more and more what Khardem is up to, they do have a few reasons to consider them evil.

I see. I don't know what Adam (both real, out-universe Adam Ruppe and Lord Adam) would choose; he is pretty much full facing the Empire, the Borg, the Goa'ulds, and the Trolls. I wonder whether he would actually keep the pact with the devil, while planning to get rid of the Guardians later.

Galadriel has to be very persuassive.

Actually, the Guardians are still attacking the Goa'uld and Trolls, despite the Ammie's ceasefire. I've gotten the impression that huge battles are being fought by NPC's while our STGODing goes on.

Yup, but in my latest post, Khardem was offering a cease fire (a veiled threat, actually. Be our slaves or die!)

However, if the A'millan choose to side with the Army of Lights (not really 'Lights', though. :P cough*Shepsolution*cough*cough*), they would not only face the Guardians, but the Empire as well. Well, the Empire is neutral with the Goa'ulds, but the A'millans is still at war with them. Not to mention the Empire may eventually declare war if the heroes continue their doings.

The Borg is still a wildcard, though. They are at war with the A'millans, but still in uneasy alliance with the Goa'ulds.

And where is the Trolls?

But second, Imperial relations aren't getting worse, actually they haven't changed since Coruscant. That's what the meeting is for, it will see the Imperial renegades return to the good side.

Depends on Ra, though. Would he be so mad that he hates the Empire as well for Darth Kreshna's madness?

Easier said than done. Khardem has the biolasers making the Ammies going mad,

Has the A'millan known of this fact yet? Yes, our out-universe Adam has known (in fact, it is his suggestion!), but how about the in-universe Lord Adam?

and has the civilians worshipping him, to prevent just such an attempt.

That's the price for making pact with the devil! :P

And I also never said I was allying with Khardem. As soon as I would even contemplate such a plan, Galadriel would shoot it down.

Well, I'm just contemplating the possibility that the Goa'ulds would ally with the Guardians, just like the A'millans. :P

Yes, yes, but after seeing our inconclusive proof, he will return to our side. To ask for more proof when it's so blatantly obvious what the Phoenix did would paint your dude as being a stubborn prick. Once Galadriel and the Lady reveal their ultimate stuff at the meeting, it should be convincing enough for even him.

I see.

Yes, but he's still going to consider the Shep Solution against the Guardian uber nexus of DOOM.

Yup. Let's think about it later. I'm still thinking about a non-cheesy way to kill both the Guardians and the Phoenix simultaneously.

Maybe. Desperation and the fact that they're the bad guys. :P

I would prefer to take it either as war strategy or merely to achieve some further goals in their way to eliminate the Phoenix, or both.

Probably the latter. I'd say there's a technobabble field reason to keep the Guardians away from Naboo and away from the Core Worlds.

Not really technobabble. Probably some magical technobabble. By the way, how many planets the Guardians has been decomposing? ;)


-Kresh

[Destructionator XV]

I see. I don't know what Adam (both real, out-universe Adam Ruppe and Lord Adam) would choose; he is pretty much full facing the Empire, the Borg, the Goa'ulds, and the Trolls. I wonder whether he would actually keep the pact with the devil, while planning to get rid of the Guardians later.

Galadriel has to be very persuassive.

Basically, I plan to use the Guardians for as long as I can while at the same time getting the populance back on my side. Then I phasorize the lot of them. The Lord and Lady are sneaky little bastards.

Has the A'millan known of this fact yet? Yes, our out-universe Adam has known (in fact, it is his suggestion!), but how about the in-universe Lord Adam?

Things are pointing towards it, but in universe I do not yet actually know. Even if I did, I would have to use them despite the downsides because our phasers and photon torpedoes aren't very efferctive against many of our foes' armour.

That's the price for making pact with the devil! :P

The politics of the situation make it a little more fun to write. If the civilians did everything their lord said, it would make for a boring empire.

Lord and Lady Adam know what needs to be done to maintain order. I originally thought of the Destructionators as an Obsidian Order (Cardiassian from DS9) type force. They are willing to assaniate civies if need be.

Yup. Let's think about it later. I'm still thinking about a non-cheesy way to kill both the Guardians and the Phoenix simultaneously.

"Target that explosion and fire."
errr... or something.

[Ra]

Hold on. Since when was Irene also McKenzie's "girlfriend"? I'm asking because I had always seen the Patterson/McKenzie relationship as more of a mentor and protege-type deal. That would, IMNSHO, be the better way of doing it.
- Ra

[Destructionator XV]

I've been thinking: is Khardem really all that powerful (in the Jedi, mage sense)? I rather thought of him as a normal person who just commands the guardian fleets (through a telepathic link).

If he is like that, when he makes a wrong move, especially in the middle of A'millian territory, he would simply be executed. A normal firing squad or knife to his throat would kill him. Therefore the only reason he is safe is that if executed, he would become a martyr and that would lead to bad consequences for in universe me.

Of course, the downside to this is he wouldn't be much of a match for Galadriel in personal combat.

So which one is it? And what will his end be?

[Ra]

I agree, Khardem isn't likely all that powerful. His power is persuasion and such. For his end, I expect it would be something similar to what you described. The Lord and Lady, probably Galadriel as well, expose him, and he meets an unfortunate end, probably because he might try to do something stupid.

As for fighting Galadriel, I don't really care. She's done more than her fare share of fighting (especially for someone who isn't a fighter), and I would like her to be more of a negotiator for here on out. In fact, when this STGOD is written up as a fanfic, I'd probably prefer to reduce the amount of fighting she does. Yeah, she still takes on Darth Kreshna aboard the Ha'tak, but the Coruscant stuff is going to be reworked a bit (meaning I don't rip the scene right out of The Matrix ;)).
- Ra

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Hold on. Since when was Irene also McKenzie's "girlfriend"? I'm asking because I had always seen the Patterson/McKenzie relationship as more of a mentor and protege-type deal. That would, IMNSHO, be the better way of doing it.
- Ra

I guess I have sounded it weirdly...

He is not so close to Irene, save the short period when she was still his girlfriend. But the fact that Darth Kreshna has murdered someone he loves.............

Well what I meant by HIS here is Darth Kreshna instead of McKenzie. It is corrected now.

He is not so close to Irene, save the short period when she was still Kreshna's girlfriend. But the fact that the Sith Inquisitor has murdered someone he loves.............

Well basically the Captain knows Irene as Darth Kreshna's girlfriend, that's all. Not really mentor or such, just friend.

[Ra]

Alright, I gotcha.
- Ra