US forces in new Iraq offensive

[frigidmagi]

BBC

US forces in Iraq have launched a major security offensive around Baghdad.

Troops would enter "key areas" around the Iraqi capital used by insurgents to launch car bombings, said the commander of US forces, General David Petraeus.

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has met top US military leaders in Baghdad to assess a security surge aimed at bringing Iraq under control.

He also met Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki, who said his government would rebuild a bombed shrine with UN help.

The meetings came as the US military announced it had found the identity cards of two US soldiers who have been missing for nearly a month.


For the first time we are really going to a couple of the key areas in the belts from which al-Qaeda has sallied forth with car bombs
General David Petraeus

The cards belonged to Specialist Alex Jimenez and Private Bryon Fouty, who were abducted with a third soldier, Private First Class Joseph Anzack Jr, south of Baghdad on May 12. The body of Pte Anzack has since been found.

The Islamic State of Iraq, an al-Qaeda-linked group, released a videotape earlier in June in which it said it had killed all three soldiers. US forces are still looking for Spec Jimenez and Pte Fouty.

Shrine repairs

During his meeting with Mr Gates, Mr Maliki said his government had "signed a contract with Unesco to immediately reconstruct" the al-Askari shrine.

The two minarets of the shrine, one of the holiest sites in Shia Islam, were destroyed in a bombing by suspected Sunni militants on Wednesday.

The shrine's golden dome was destroyed in an earlier attack in February 2006.

Baghdad offensive

The security crackdown around Baghdad had begun in the last 24 hours, Gen Petraeus said.

Damage on al-Askari shrine in Samarra, Iraq
The al-Askari shrine in Samarra is one of the holiest sites for Shias

"For the first time we are really going to a couple of the key areas in the belts from which al-Qaeda has sallied forth with car bombs, additional fighters and so forth," he said.

With the US troop deployment in Iraq reaching a peak of 160,000, Gen Petraeus said the job of US and Iraqi forces was now "to do everything that we can with the additional forces that we have".

Mr Gates arrived in Baghdad as thousands of US and Iraqi troops enforced a curfew aimed at preventing the same level of violence seen after militants blew up the mosque's golden dome last year.

Speaking to reporters on Friday, Mr Gates said he had come to reinforce the message to Iraqi leaders that the "surge" was buying them time to pursue national reconciliation and that Washington wanted to see greater efforts.

"Frankly, we're disappointed with the progress so far, and hope that this most recent bombing by al-Qaeda won't further disrupt or delay the process," he said.

The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says the politicians in the US are hoping to have something tangible to point to in July, when funding measures go before Congress, and even more by September, when political and military assessments of the surge and the overall situation in Iraq are due.

While the clock in Washington is running fast, that is not the case here, our correspondent says.

Several important pieces of legislation which are seen as vital to national reconciliation, including a new oil law, have yet to be passed by parliament.

Yes causalities will remain high. That's gonna be an inescapable result of the kind of operations and the tempo of said operations.

[SirNitram]

What? But the Surge was going to magically fix things! These defeatist liberal Generals don't want to give it a chance to work! Wait until September! In six months, it'll be fine!

More seriously, it's disturbing there's apparently areas not touched before. Very disturbing. Hopefully it'll reduce the overall violence, or at least redirect it away from civilians.

[frigidmagi]

What? But the Surge was going to magically fix things! These defeatist liberal Generals don't want to give it a chance to work! Wait until September! In six months, it'll be fine!

This is Surge attempting to fix everything wasn't in place until very recently (week before last or so) or did y'all imagine the extra troops would make everything poof itself into peace, love and democracy?

More seriously, it's disturbing there's apparently areas not touched before. Very disturbing. Hopefully it'll reduce the overall violence, or at least redirect it away from civilians.

Hence the need for extra troops to go into the areas. As for reducing violence, it's very likely in the short term to rise as the various groups attempt to hit back and discredit the US presence. However the only way to end the violence is to go into these places and destroy these groups making the short term increase a necessary evil. It's like the chemo needed to kill cancer cells.

[SirNitram]

What? But the Surge was going to magically fix things! These defeatist liberal Generals don't want to give it a chance to work! Wait until September! In six months, it'll be fine!

This is Surge attempting to fix everything wasn't in place until very recently (week before last or so) or did y'all imagine the extra troops would make everything poof itself into peace, love and democracy?

Are you saying that Great Leader lied?!

More seriously, it's disturbing there's apparently areas not touched before. Very disturbing. Hopefully it'll reduce the overall violence, or at least redirect it away from civilians.

Hence the need for extra troops to go into the areas. As for reducing violence, it's very likely in the short term to rise as the various groups attempt to hit back and discredit the US presence. However the only way to end the violence is to go into these places and destroy these groups making the short term increase a necessary evil. It's like the chemo needed to kill cancer cells.

Oh, I know this all quite well. I just wish I had the slightest confidence in Petraeus not to be a little political stooge performing for a domestic political audience, and to be, I dunno, a military leader. But he lost any confidence there with his shell game of when the Surge started, and that before it started, he knew the outcome he would report.

[frigidmagi]

Are you saying that Great Leader lied?!

First off it's Dear Leader not Great Leader. Great Leader properly refers to our Dear Leader's noble and tragic father. Consider yourself on report Comrade.

Oh, I know this all quite well. I just wish I had the slightest confidence in Petraeus not to be a little political stooge performing for a domestic political audience, and to be, I dunno, a military leader. But he lost any confidence there with his shell game of when the Surge started, and that before it started, he knew the outcome he would report.

To be blunt, no one I've spoken to that you know... Works for the man shares your opinion. Or did you not catch him telling people it would take decades to actually stablize Iraq. Which is not something either the public or Congress wants to hear is it?

[SirNitram]

I go by what the man says in public, which changes like a barometer of what the GOP wants to hear. The latest I heard was comparisons to Northern Ireland, which puts it on the centuries, not decades, mark. Simply put, the man's statements are self-contradictary. I find that a reason not to trust someone.