Old World Monsters
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#1 Old World Monsters
Alright, I've had this idea kicking around in my head of running a game. It's still a bit under "work in progress", and probably wouldn't start for a month or so, but this is just a thread for me to post some details about the world and get some votes of general interest. Then we'll see what happens.
Alright, I guess I'll give you a general overview of my thoughts as of right now.
The setting is Medieval Europe, in the Year of Our Lord 1469.
There have been some changes to the timeline which I will get into greater detail about but generally what happened is that Christianity got off to a bad start for many reasons and as such is a much smaller religion, consisting of most of the Italian kingdoms, France, Spain, and the Holy Roman Empire to any real effect, while England and Hungary are only nominally Christian. The seat of the Christian world was not Rome, but Constantinople, and after it's fall to the Ottomans in 1453 the Christian world has been in serious turmoil.
In Spain the Reconquista is still underway, the Muslim's still control a good 1/3 of the peninsula. Hungary has only recently turned to Christianity, hoping that the assistance of the Papacy will keep the Ottomans from crushing them next. England still harbors a large pagan population that are very much of the opinion that the pope can go screw himself.
Oh yeah, and there are monsters.
Monsters are no small population and have played various great roles in the way Europe and the Middle East have turned out. They are many and various, some good, some evil, most somewhere inbetween. Monsters have been hunted down where they could be found in Christian countries, due to many Inquisitions that have been called, including an Inquisition that is still active.
And that is what the players will be.
Pretty much any monster of European or Middle Eastern descent is playable, once I cross-examine it to get a general feel for what it is capable of. A select few African and Asian monsters are also playable, as there has been some migration over the centuries. Though keep in mind that the more noticable you are, the more likely you are to have the Inquisition hunting for you. Here are some general ideas of some monsters.
Wizards/Witches- They have easily had the most influence upon the world as it is today. Wizards are capable of wielding immense powers that are only dreamable to many. But this power comes at a price, as all things do. The more power a Wizard gains the more insane they are driven until the point where they self-destruct. They are one of the few 'monsters' that have been granted the probationary status of 'Friend of the Church'. A wizard can work in the open, but if bad things start happening in the vicinity of the wizard, it's them that the Inquisition will be coming for first.
Golems- Constructs exclusively built by wizards, these creatures are also not hunted by the church as they are little more than servants. Most golems are meant as household assistants, being too rare and valuable, and often too fragile, to dare to put into the rigors of war. Golems come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, and compositions. These servants are capable of experiencing emotions, though the older golems can only do so rudimentarily. What is beyond all golems however, is an understanding of morality.
Skinstealers- Some of the first monsters to come over from Asia, these minor demons are generally a quiet, careful, and very sneaky lot. Normally these creatures look hideous, but to make up for this, they often carefully carve the skin off of one of their victims and wear that skin until it gives way to the wear of time and use.
Revenants- The intelligent undead, these creatures use dark magics to animate their corpse, and can even gain some control over the bodies and life flow of others. These monsters first came out of Egypt, the Holy Lands, and Greece, but have since then spread to other areas of the continent. They survive off of the flesh of the living. Revenants are capable of controlling other dead bodies (unintelligent zombies) or even healing or harming the living. Furthermore they are almost impossible to kill, only being brought down when enough damage has been dealt to their form that they are unable to fix the damage.
Vampires- Creatures hailing from Eastern Europe, these are another form of undead. These creatures have a considerable physical strength, ability to shift into a wolf or bat, and can even control weaker minded individuals. Stronger, older vampires have also been known to redirect weather and turn to mist. Vampires survive off of the blood of humans. The vampire has no reflection in a mirrored surface, nor can they cross large bodies of running water, they fear holy symbols which burn them at the touch, and the presense of the sun discomforts them, and drains away all their powers. Vampires can be killed by either a holy relic used to decapitate them, or if they are staked and then decapitated.
Werewolves- Monsters of the frigid north, these creatures are feared more than perhaps any other monster in Europe. These creatures wield an immense strength, vitality, and regenerative capability that has been known to allow them to kill hundreds of unprepared men at a time. They are fast, mean, and very very powerful. But only while they are changed, most of the time, werewolves are human and nothing more than that. A werewolf can only change at night, either forced to do so under a certain phase of the moon, or if done voluntarily assuming the human has enough control over themselves and the conditions are just right. Werewolves however, have no control over themselves when changed and will joyously murder and rape and devour until the sun comes up, ignoring threats to their existance. Werewolves have one anathema, silver, which can deal severe damage to a werewolf, even when it is human.
Dragons- The undisputed most powerful creatures in all of Europe, and most likely in all the world. These creatures wield magic that many wizards never attain, and are extremely physically powerful as well. Entire castles and armies have been annihilated by a single dragon. These creatures are immensely intelligent, though they have no real dealings with humans beyond the occasional raid and treasure collecting. Only four of these great beasts live in Europe, but they are not to be trifled with. DRAGONS ARE NOT PLAYABLE CHARACTERS. THERE ARE ONLY FOUR AND THEY DO NOT GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER LET ALONE OTHERS. NOT TO MENTION THE WHOLE SINGLEHANDEDLY WIPING OUT COUNTRIES THING.
Comments, concerns, questions, and interest are all welcome.
Alright, I guess I'll give you a general overview of my thoughts as of right now.
The setting is Medieval Europe, in the Year of Our Lord 1469.
There have been some changes to the timeline which I will get into greater detail about but generally what happened is that Christianity got off to a bad start for many reasons and as such is a much smaller religion, consisting of most of the Italian kingdoms, France, Spain, and the Holy Roman Empire to any real effect, while England and Hungary are only nominally Christian. The seat of the Christian world was not Rome, but Constantinople, and after it's fall to the Ottomans in 1453 the Christian world has been in serious turmoil.
In Spain the Reconquista is still underway, the Muslim's still control a good 1/3 of the peninsula. Hungary has only recently turned to Christianity, hoping that the assistance of the Papacy will keep the Ottomans from crushing them next. England still harbors a large pagan population that are very much of the opinion that the pope can go screw himself.
Oh yeah, and there are monsters.
Monsters are no small population and have played various great roles in the way Europe and the Middle East have turned out. They are many and various, some good, some evil, most somewhere inbetween. Monsters have been hunted down where they could be found in Christian countries, due to many Inquisitions that have been called, including an Inquisition that is still active.
And that is what the players will be.
Pretty much any monster of European or Middle Eastern descent is playable, once I cross-examine it to get a general feel for what it is capable of. A select few African and Asian monsters are also playable, as there has been some migration over the centuries. Though keep in mind that the more noticable you are, the more likely you are to have the Inquisition hunting for you. Here are some general ideas of some monsters.
Wizards/Witches- They have easily had the most influence upon the world as it is today. Wizards are capable of wielding immense powers that are only dreamable to many. But this power comes at a price, as all things do. The more power a Wizard gains the more insane they are driven until the point where they self-destruct. They are one of the few 'monsters' that have been granted the probationary status of 'Friend of the Church'. A wizard can work in the open, but if bad things start happening in the vicinity of the wizard, it's them that the Inquisition will be coming for first.
Golems- Constructs exclusively built by wizards, these creatures are also not hunted by the church as they are little more than servants. Most golems are meant as household assistants, being too rare and valuable, and often too fragile, to dare to put into the rigors of war. Golems come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, and compositions. These servants are capable of experiencing emotions, though the older golems can only do so rudimentarily. What is beyond all golems however, is an understanding of morality.
Skinstealers- Some of the first monsters to come over from Asia, these minor demons are generally a quiet, careful, and very sneaky lot. Normally these creatures look hideous, but to make up for this, they often carefully carve the skin off of one of their victims and wear that skin until it gives way to the wear of time and use.
Revenants- The intelligent undead, these creatures use dark magics to animate their corpse, and can even gain some control over the bodies and life flow of others. These monsters first came out of Egypt, the Holy Lands, and Greece, but have since then spread to other areas of the continent. They survive off of the flesh of the living. Revenants are capable of controlling other dead bodies (unintelligent zombies) or even healing or harming the living. Furthermore they are almost impossible to kill, only being brought down when enough damage has been dealt to their form that they are unable to fix the damage.
Vampires- Creatures hailing from Eastern Europe, these are another form of undead. These creatures have a considerable physical strength, ability to shift into a wolf or bat, and can even control weaker minded individuals. Stronger, older vampires have also been known to redirect weather and turn to mist. Vampires survive off of the blood of humans. The vampire has no reflection in a mirrored surface, nor can they cross large bodies of running water, they fear holy symbols which burn them at the touch, and the presense of the sun discomforts them, and drains away all their powers. Vampires can be killed by either a holy relic used to decapitate them, or if they are staked and then decapitated.
Werewolves- Monsters of the frigid north, these creatures are feared more than perhaps any other monster in Europe. These creatures wield an immense strength, vitality, and regenerative capability that has been known to allow them to kill hundreds of unprepared men at a time. They are fast, mean, and very very powerful. But only while they are changed, most of the time, werewolves are human and nothing more than that. A werewolf can only change at night, either forced to do so under a certain phase of the moon, or if done voluntarily assuming the human has enough control over themselves and the conditions are just right. Werewolves however, have no control over themselves when changed and will joyously murder and rape and devour until the sun comes up, ignoring threats to their existance. Werewolves have one anathema, silver, which can deal severe damage to a werewolf, even when it is human.
Dragons- The undisputed most powerful creatures in all of Europe, and most likely in all the world. These creatures wield magic that many wizards never attain, and are extremely physically powerful as well. Entire castles and armies have been annihilated by a single dragon. These creatures are immensely intelligent, though they have no real dealings with humans beyond the occasional raid and treasure collecting. Only four of these great beasts live in Europe, but they are not to be trifled with. DRAGONS ARE NOT PLAYABLE CHARACTERS. THERE ARE ONLY FOUR AND THEY DO NOT GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER LET ALONE OTHERS. NOT TO MENTION THE WHOLE SINGLEHANDEDLY WIPING OUT COUNTRIES THING.
Comments, concerns, questions, and interest are all welcome.
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As I read this, I wonder if the Tahalshia Clan could be dropped down into the middle of it.
I will also have to ask about the Fae. While the strongest tales come down to us from Britain, nearly every European nation had some form of FaerieFolk. The Slavs had the sluagh, the whisperers in the dark. The Norse had the liosafar and drakafar, the light and dark elves. The Germans had boggans, dwarves, bogarts and knockers, all man-spirits that either helped or harmed. Of course, besides the Sidhe and Tuatha de Danaan of the Isles, there were pooka and kelpie, both horse-shaped, one mischeivious, one deadly. There were the Firbolg of Ireland, the Giants of the Norse and Germany.
So, where do they fit in?
I will also have to ask about the Fae. While the strongest tales come down to us from Britain, nearly every European nation had some form of FaerieFolk. The Slavs had the sluagh, the whisperers in the dark. The Norse had the liosafar and drakafar, the light and dark elves. The Germans had boggans, dwarves, bogarts and knockers, all man-spirits that either helped or harmed. Of course, besides the Sidhe and Tuatha de Danaan of the Isles, there were pooka and kelpie, both horse-shaped, one mischeivious, one deadly. There were the Firbolg of Ireland, the Giants of the Norse and Germany.
So, where do they fit in?
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I haven't decided which form of the Fae to use, but it'll probably be the British style Fae with a little bit of other stuff mixed in.
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Oh, The Ben wants to play a big horde-building kindgom destroying winged behemoth.... Even if the Inquisition (what a show!) comes to get him
But there are only 4... little one maybe? They have to reproduce sometime...
But there are only 4... little one maybe? They have to reproduce sometime...
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*edits the post to make his position on dragons more clear.*Comrade Tortoise wrote:Oh, The Ben wants to play a big horde-building kindgom destroying winged behemoth.... Even if the Inquisition (what a show!) comes to get him
But there are only 4... little one maybe? They have to reproduce sometime...
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I have to challenge the idea that there would be no western center of Christianity or the fall of Constantinople without Rome. If there is no western church, the Crusades simply never stop and keep going until the Turks and Arabs give up or conquer Europe.
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A detail I was going to get into later was that during the time that the church had traditionally moved shop to Avignon, in my world they moved shop to Rome. With the fall of Constantinople the church moved back to Rome. Since the fall of Constantinople there has been only one crusade called on to try to retake Constantinople so far, and it failed miserably.frigidmagi wrote:I have to challenge the idea that there would be no western center of Christianity or the fall of Constantinople without Rome. If there is no western church, the Crusades simply never stop and keep going until the Turks and Arabs give up or conquer Europe.
If that wasn't the issue, I'll try again.
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Okay I'll try to expand here.
Okay both Constantinople and Rome were competing seats of power at the time of the middle ages. Constantinople was the seat of the Eastern Orthodox church, while Rome was the seat of the Western Latin church. This was a religious, military and political split. The Eastern Church was a tool of the imperial Byzantine government (literally the emperor holds a priestly rank), while the Latin Church was the closest thing the Christian West had to an imperial government.
Rome called the Crusades in order to A: Gain more land and converts, B: Flex muscles to the guys in Constantinople in an attempt to gain a better position for reunification C: Safeguard fellow Christians (more the pilgrims then the natives, the natives were dirty easterners) being molested by Muslims (the Turks who just moved in were awful at this, the Arabs were better at leaving pilgrims alone D: If all else fails get the Greeks and others to drop Constantinople and switch to Greece.
The Crusades would fail for a number of reason but the big ones were that Western Latin Christians began to feel that fighting for the for off east where only heretics were really threatened wasn't worth the cost. Meanwhile Rome had concerns closer to home and realized it wasn't getting anything it wanted from the Crusades. (Notice how the Christians did manage to take Spain back where the above concerns weren't true).
A unified church centered on Constantinople doesn't have this problem, nor does a unified Christianity. In fact Crusades are likely to be called earlier (although they won't be called Crusades, not sure what they would be called...) more often and be more successful since there will be less distrust, no religious gap and everyone will feel damn threatened by the fact the ONLY REMAINING HOLY CITY IN CHRISTIANITY IS BEING THREATENED!
In other words the Franks, Germans, Italians and others would never stop coming (side note Hungary is going to be Christian before France is. There's no Western center and Hungary is right next door to Byzantine) unless the city is secured the Turks made to keep their hands to themselves. Fuck you're likely to have Crusades smashing all over Antonia and other parts of Turkey (loot, loot, loot makes the boys get up and shoot).
You need a split church or a Constantinople that doesn't fall if you want to be consistent. Even in Christianity's weaken state (Muslims hold spain or still Visigoths who never abandoned paganism? Any major heretic movements or are the pagans just that more badass?).
Okay both Constantinople and Rome were competing seats of power at the time of the middle ages. Constantinople was the seat of the Eastern Orthodox church, while Rome was the seat of the Western Latin church. This was a religious, military and political split. The Eastern Church was a tool of the imperial Byzantine government (literally the emperor holds a priestly rank), while the Latin Church was the closest thing the Christian West had to an imperial government.
Rome called the Crusades in order to A: Gain more land and converts, B: Flex muscles to the guys in Constantinople in an attempt to gain a better position for reunification C: Safeguard fellow Christians (more the pilgrims then the natives, the natives were dirty easterners) being molested by Muslims (the Turks who just moved in were awful at this, the Arabs were better at leaving pilgrims alone D: If all else fails get the Greeks and others to drop Constantinople and switch to Greece.
The Crusades would fail for a number of reason but the big ones were that Western Latin Christians began to feel that fighting for the for off east where only heretics were really threatened wasn't worth the cost. Meanwhile Rome had concerns closer to home and realized it wasn't getting anything it wanted from the Crusades. (Notice how the Christians did manage to take Spain back where the above concerns weren't true).
A unified church centered on Constantinople doesn't have this problem, nor does a unified Christianity. In fact Crusades are likely to be called earlier (although they won't be called Crusades, not sure what they would be called...) more often and be more successful since there will be less distrust, no religious gap and everyone will feel damn threatened by the fact the ONLY REMAINING HOLY CITY IN CHRISTIANITY IS BEING THREATENED!
In other words the Franks, Germans, Italians and others would never stop coming (side note Hungary is going to be Christian before France is. There's no Western center and Hungary is right next door to Byzantine) unless the city is secured the Turks made to keep their hands to themselves. Fuck you're likely to have Crusades smashing all over Antonia and other parts of Turkey (loot, loot, loot makes the boys get up and shoot).
You need a split church or a Constantinople that doesn't fall if you want to be consistent. Even in Christianity's weaken state (Muslims hold spain or still Visigoths who never abandoned paganism? Any major heretic movements or are the pagans just that more badass?).
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The Crusades did not stop because Rome stopped them. Rome had little to do with most of them. They stopped for logistic reasons essentially: it was too damn hard for Western Europe to exert power in the Middle East at that time in history. It required enormous amounts of manpower, supplies and wealth to support even short term interventions.
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I didn't say Rome stopped them. I said Rome stopped pushing them because the populace didn't care anymore.
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Rome didn't push most of the Crusades, although it did push the first couple. Most of the successful Crusades were local: take out the closest unbelievers and take their shit (Reconquesta [although not technically a crusade], Albigensian [infamous even when it occured], Prussia, Latvia, Livonia).
France will be Christian before Hungary. A number of the German tribes that invaded Gaul were already Arian Christians and at the time Rome wasn't that important. The local Gaulo-Romans were already Christians and their langauge was the one that became modern French. Hungary, on the other hand, was the Magyar's moving west at 800 and becoming officially Christian at 1000 in OTL. It might be much later in this time line. France is still going to beat them at becoming Christian and they might even be much closer to Constantinople.
France will be Christian before Hungary. A number of the German tribes that invaded Gaul were already Arian Christians and at the time Rome wasn't that important. The local Gaulo-Romans were already Christians and their langauge was the one that became modern French. Hungary, on the other hand, was the Magyar's moving west at 800 and becoming officially Christian at 1000 in OTL. It might be much later in this time line. France is still going to beat them at becoming Christian and they might even be much closer to Constantinople.
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I think that only helps my case, in arguing that the Christians of Charon's timeline would not stop.Rome didn't push most of the Crusades, although it did push the first couple. Most of the successful Crusades were local: take out the closest unbelievers and take their shit (Reconquesta [although not technically a crusade], Albigensian [infamous even when it occured], Prussia, Latvia, Livonia).
Still I'll rephase when I said Crusades I was talking about the Invasions of the Middle East reffered to has Crusades I-VI (just clarifying here not trying to toss out your points relax). We can agree that Rome pushed those I would think.
Are you that would hold true in this timeline?France will be Christian before Hungary. A number of the German tribes that invaded Gaul were already Arian Christians and at the time Rome wasn't that important. The local Gaulo-Romans were already Christians and their langauge was the one that became modern French. Hungary, on the other hand, was the Magyar's moving west at 800 and becoming officially Christian at 1000 in OTL. It might be much later in this time line. France is still going to beat them at becoming Christian and they might even be much closer to Constantinople.
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The Albigensian Crusade, The Fourth Crusade, and the Children's Crusade helped strip away popular legitimacy from the concept of crusades. Holding the Holy Land clearly becomes impossible to all but the most dense of Christians (Louis IX, I'm talking about you). Most of the later ones were purely military land grabs and there is no way Western Europe is going to take out the Muslim world at this point in time.
I'm not sure about how Hungary and France will end up, but unless the Roman Empire didn't go Christian in this history, France will end up Christian before Hungary even exits as a nation. In OTL, competitor nations near Rome and Constantinople tended to adopt the opposite form of Christianity (so they didn't fall under the religious authority of their rivals).
I'm not sure about how Hungary and France will end up, but unless the Roman Empire didn't go Christian in this history, France will end up Christian before Hungary even exits as a nation. In OTL, competitor nations near Rome and Constantinople tended to adopt the opposite form of Christianity (so they didn't fall under the religious authority of their rivals).
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Ok, a change has been made. Constantinople was not taken by the Ottomans in 1453, however it is completely surrounded and under almost a constant state of siege. The papacy has moved to Rome, leaving Constantinople in the hands of Papal Knights who defend the city against the heathen threat.
Is this acceptable?
Is this acceptable?
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Works for me. If you like after I am finished with my exams (Wednesday) I can try to hammer out some knightly orders for you.
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Sure whatever.frigidmagi wrote:Works for me. If you like after I am finished with my exams (Wednesday) I can try to hammer out some knightly orders for you.
Also, putting down the timeline changes are a bitch. (For the record, I'm using wikipedia as a general source for timeline. Hopefully it doesn't leave out too many important dates.)
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Alright, here's a general timeline of events. Any questions let me know and I'll try to clear things up. Any muckups, then let me know what I did wrong.
History of Events
361AD- Julian the Apostate declares that the Western Roman Empire has no state religion and pushes paganistic values. Roman Emperors after this honor Julian’s ideals.
388AD- Theodosius I, upon his first year of rule, combines the Roman Empire and declares that Christianity is the true religion of Rome.
403AD- Honorius returns the Western Roman Empire to a pagan centered empire with no state religion.
406AD- The Germanic tribes cross the Rhine and spread quickly, smashing through Roman legions with the assistance of Dragons. The Western Empire crumbles under the weight of invasions.
410AD- The Visigoth’s sack Rome, the last outpost of Western Roman dominance. The Empire still exists scattered across western Europe, but it is for all intents and purposes dead.
416AD- Visigothic conquest of Spain.
428AD- Vandal conquest of North Africa.
444AD- Emperor Valentinian III is deposed by Attila the Hun, officially finishing off the remains of the Western Roman Empire.
481AD- Clovis becomes king of the Franks.
493AD- Ostrogothic kingdom founded in Italy by Theodoric
496AD- Clovis converts to Catholic Faith, the first attempt to bring Christianity back into Western Europe.
527AD- Justinian I becomes Eastern Roman Emperor.
534AD- Byzantines retake North Africa from the Vandals.
552AD- The Byzantine conquest of Italy completes, Christianity now has holds in the Frankish Empire and the Italian peninsula.
571AD- Mohammed is born.
590AD- Gregory the Great becomes Pope.
631AD- Death of Muhammed, by this point, all of Arabia is Muslim.
638AD- Jerusalem captured my Muslims.
641AD- Muslims conquer Persia.
643AD- Muslims capture Alexandria.
678AD- Saint Adalbert spreads Christianity among the Visigoths.
681AD- Establishment of the Bulgarian Empire.
698AD- Muslims take Carthage.
711AD- Muslims invade Spain.
714AD- The Dragon of Poland is killed by the Germanic and Byzantine dragons.
718AD- Second Muslim attack on Constantinople fails.
731AD- Battle of Tours. The Franks and Burgundians stop the Muslim advance.
768AD- Beginning of Charlemagne’s reign.
793AD- Viking attacks on Britain begin.
800AD- Charlemagne is crowned Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire by Pope Leo III.
827AD- Muslims invade Sicily.
843AD- Division of Charlemagne's Empire between his grandsons with the Treaty of Verdun.
862AD- Viking state of Russia founded by Rurik.
864AD- Christianization of Bulgarian Empire, Christianity is now in most of continental Europe.
871AD- Alfred the Great assumes the throne, becoming the first king of a united England.
885AD- Vikings attack Paris.
911AD- The Viking Rollo and his tribe settle in northern France, creating the Duchy of Normandy.
923AD- The astrolabe is first used in Europe.
1018AD- The Byzantines conquer Bulgaria after 50 years of fighting.
1066AD- William the Conqueror invades England and becomes king after the battle of Hastings, England is turned Christian by the Norman invaders.
1099AD- First Crusade. Jerusalem is re-taken from the Muslims.
1118AD- The Knights Templar are founded to protect Jerusalem and European pilgrims on their journey to the city.
1147AD- Second Crusade in retaliation of the loss of Edesa. The crusade fails.
1184AD- The first Inquisition begins to purge still influential Pagan elements. Many monsters die at the hands of Inquisitor and peasant alike.
1189AD- Third Crusade following Saladin’s recapture of Jerusalem. The crusaders fail to retake Jerusalem.
1192AD- A wizard, Lord Chatouques the Great kills the Frankish dragon and dies in the process, huge swaths of land in Southern France are left barren.
1204AD- Fourth Crusade is sent to Spain to assist in the Reconquista efforts.
1295AD- Marco Polo publishes his tales of China.
1307AD- The Knights Templar are rounded up and executed by Philip the Fair of France for conspiring with monsters.
1309AD- The Papacy is moved to Rome.
1337AD- Beginning of the Hundred Years’ War.
1347AD- The Black Death ravages populations for a brief time before Wizards bring the plague under control.
1350AD- A second strain of Black Death created by a wizard comes to Europe and decimates the population.
1378AD- The Papacy returns to Constantinople.
1380AD- The United Russia is victorious over Mongol invaders.
1415AD- The Battle of Agincourt, Henry V defeats a numerically superior French army, largely thanks to the newly introduced English longgonne.
1453AD- The Hundred Years’ War ends.
1453AD- The Ottomans nearly succeed in capturing Constantinople.
1454AD- The Papacy moves to Rome, leaving Constantinople in the hands of Papal Knights.
1456AD- Matthias Corvinus, king of Hungary, converts to Christianity to gain the assistance of European Christians in his fight against the Ottomans.
1458AD- Constantinople falls under attack again.
1459AD- Hungarian armies defeat the Ottomans at the Battle of Adrianople, breaking the siege of Constantinople.
1466AD- A new Inquisition begins in an attempt to better establish the greatly weakened Christian church.
1469AD- ???
Some things to point out.
1.) There were no UK monasteries built until probably the 800's and they never gained a lot of influence. Ireland is still pagan.
2.) Guns and Cannons came into use a little earlier in this time period and advanced a great deal faster thanks to wizards. Firearms are probably at about the level they were during our late 1500's or early 1600's.
History of Events
361AD- Julian the Apostate declares that the Western Roman Empire has no state religion and pushes paganistic values. Roman Emperors after this honor Julian’s ideals.
388AD- Theodosius I, upon his first year of rule, combines the Roman Empire and declares that Christianity is the true religion of Rome.
403AD- Honorius returns the Western Roman Empire to a pagan centered empire with no state religion.
406AD- The Germanic tribes cross the Rhine and spread quickly, smashing through Roman legions with the assistance of Dragons. The Western Empire crumbles under the weight of invasions.
410AD- The Visigoth’s sack Rome, the last outpost of Western Roman dominance. The Empire still exists scattered across western Europe, but it is for all intents and purposes dead.
416AD- Visigothic conquest of Spain.
428AD- Vandal conquest of North Africa.
444AD- Emperor Valentinian III is deposed by Attila the Hun, officially finishing off the remains of the Western Roman Empire.
481AD- Clovis becomes king of the Franks.
493AD- Ostrogothic kingdom founded in Italy by Theodoric
496AD- Clovis converts to Catholic Faith, the first attempt to bring Christianity back into Western Europe.
527AD- Justinian I becomes Eastern Roman Emperor.
534AD- Byzantines retake North Africa from the Vandals.
552AD- The Byzantine conquest of Italy completes, Christianity now has holds in the Frankish Empire and the Italian peninsula.
571AD- Mohammed is born.
590AD- Gregory the Great becomes Pope.
631AD- Death of Muhammed, by this point, all of Arabia is Muslim.
638AD- Jerusalem captured my Muslims.
641AD- Muslims conquer Persia.
643AD- Muslims capture Alexandria.
678AD- Saint Adalbert spreads Christianity among the Visigoths.
681AD- Establishment of the Bulgarian Empire.
698AD- Muslims take Carthage.
711AD- Muslims invade Spain.
714AD- The Dragon of Poland is killed by the Germanic and Byzantine dragons.
718AD- Second Muslim attack on Constantinople fails.
731AD- Battle of Tours. The Franks and Burgundians stop the Muslim advance.
768AD- Beginning of Charlemagne’s reign.
793AD- Viking attacks on Britain begin.
800AD- Charlemagne is crowned Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire by Pope Leo III.
827AD- Muslims invade Sicily.
843AD- Division of Charlemagne's Empire between his grandsons with the Treaty of Verdun.
862AD- Viking state of Russia founded by Rurik.
864AD- Christianization of Bulgarian Empire, Christianity is now in most of continental Europe.
871AD- Alfred the Great assumes the throne, becoming the first king of a united England.
885AD- Vikings attack Paris.
911AD- The Viking Rollo and his tribe settle in northern France, creating the Duchy of Normandy.
923AD- The astrolabe is first used in Europe.
1018AD- The Byzantines conquer Bulgaria after 50 years of fighting.
1066AD- William the Conqueror invades England and becomes king after the battle of Hastings, England is turned Christian by the Norman invaders.
1099AD- First Crusade. Jerusalem is re-taken from the Muslims.
1118AD- The Knights Templar are founded to protect Jerusalem and European pilgrims on their journey to the city.
1147AD- Second Crusade in retaliation of the loss of Edesa. The crusade fails.
1184AD- The first Inquisition begins to purge still influential Pagan elements. Many monsters die at the hands of Inquisitor and peasant alike.
1189AD- Third Crusade following Saladin’s recapture of Jerusalem. The crusaders fail to retake Jerusalem.
1192AD- A wizard, Lord Chatouques the Great kills the Frankish dragon and dies in the process, huge swaths of land in Southern France are left barren.
1204AD- Fourth Crusade is sent to Spain to assist in the Reconquista efforts.
1295AD- Marco Polo publishes his tales of China.
1307AD- The Knights Templar are rounded up and executed by Philip the Fair of France for conspiring with monsters.
1309AD- The Papacy is moved to Rome.
1337AD- Beginning of the Hundred Years’ War.
1347AD- The Black Death ravages populations for a brief time before Wizards bring the plague under control.
1350AD- A second strain of Black Death created by a wizard comes to Europe and decimates the population.
1378AD- The Papacy returns to Constantinople.
1380AD- The United Russia is victorious over Mongol invaders.
1415AD- The Battle of Agincourt, Henry V defeats a numerically superior French army, largely thanks to the newly introduced English longgonne.
1453AD- The Hundred Years’ War ends.
1453AD- The Ottomans nearly succeed in capturing Constantinople.
1454AD- The Papacy moves to Rome, leaving Constantinople in the hands of Papal Knights.
1456AD- Matthias Corvinus, king of Hungary, converts to Christianity to gain the assistance of European Christians in his fight against the Ottomans.
1458AD- Constantinople falls under attack again.
1459AD- Hungarian armies defeat the Ottomans at the Battle of Adrianople, breaking the siege of Constantinople.
1466AD- A new Inquisition begins in an attempt to better establish the greatly weakened Christian church.
1469AD- ???
Some things to point out.
1.) There were no UK monasteries built until probably the 800's and they never gained a lot of influence. Ireland is still pagan.
2.) Guns and Cannons came into use a little earlier in this time period and advanced a great deal faster thanks to wizards. Firearms are probably at about the level they were during our late 1500's or early 1600's.
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What you've all been waiting for! A listing of some of the monsters! All of the monsters displayed in this list are playable, but these are not the only monsters that are playable! I'm trying to come up with more when I can, and suggestions are always welcome, though I can't say I will always agree with them. If you're looking for some ideas
http://www.pantheon.org/ is one place and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monsters can work too.
As always, nothing is set in stone yet and questions or concerns are welcome.
List of Monsters
Wizards/Witches
One of the most widely spread types of monsters, they have been found in every known part of the world, they are also simultaneously the most respected and reviled. In the modern world, wizards are seen as “friends of Godâ€
http://www.pantheon.org/ is one place and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monsters can work too.
As always, nothing is set in stone yet and questions or concerns are welcome.
List of Monsters
Wizards/Witches
One of the most widely spread types of monsters, they have been found in every known part of the world, they are also simultaneously the most respected and reviled. In the modern world, wizards are seen as “friends of Godâ€
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This seems like a really cool concept. You've done a really well with the time line and research. I'd definitely be interested in joining when it gets up and running.
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I've mentioned this to you via AIM, but I haven't said so on the forums. Charon, this idea of yours sounds fascinating, and once you feel it's ready to accept players and concepts, I'd eagerly jump in.
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Ferenczy Janos (last name first in accordance with Magyar[Hungarian] usage)
Vampire Sorcerer
Background: The blood of chieftains and witches flows through his veins. When the Magyar tribes crossed into the Hungarian plane and took it as there own, creatures of the Night came with them. The Hungarians quickly gained a reputation as fearsome horsemen and carved out their own territories. In the mountainous border country, the new blood mixed with the old in marriage alliances as often as it was shed by shining swords.
Janos was one of the former, the son of a Magyar lord and a witch of Bassarab blood. He was cunning, fierce, and strong and determined to carve out his own legend. In doing so, he attracted the attention of the Night and one of its elders took him as his own in 1178. He retains faith in the Old Religion and does not regard himself as damned.
Centuries later, Janos is still young and strong. Black curly hair still hangs almost to his shoulders and his beard is full. He is adept with both sword and axe and at home in the saddle, but he no longer dreams of forging his own kingdom.
Personality: Inquisitive and intelligent, the vampire's ambition and arrogance have been blunted by spending much of his time with entities more powerful than him. The old fire still burns within his veins and he can be just as ferocious if roused, but tends to be amiable and charming otherwise.
Notable Vulnerabilities: Sunlight is an irritant if he sufficiently heavily garbed, although his powers are weaker during the daytime. As a creature of Earth and the Night, crossing running water weakens and hurts him although bridges, horses and simply leaping can overcome such barriers. He is markedly less vulnerable to objects Holy to the Day than many other vampires, but by no means immune. He bears a bloodline weakness that causes silver to poison his flesh and reduce his ability to regenerate.
Powers: He can manifest deadly claws and fangs in a moment, along with a predatory aspect. True shapechanging is beyond him. He can fog the minds of lessers and dominate the wills of others, especially if he has fed upon them. Wolves and other beasts of the night are particularly susceptible to his powers and summons. He possesses the physical prowess and regenerative abilities common to vampires of greater than a century in age, but sorcery is where his most fearsome talents lie. Janos possesses formidable telekinetic and pyrokinetic abilities.
Haven: A hidden tower in Transylvannia, protected by the forest. Here he conducts his experiments and investigations, attended to by a small number of retainers. When his thirst grows great (his retainers are enough to satisfy most of his needs), he tends to go reaving through the lands of those who have displeased him. He travels often.
Vampire Sorcerer
Background: The blood of chieftains and witches flows through his veins. When the Magyar tribes crossed into the Hungarian plane and took it as there own, creatures of the Night came with them. The Hungarians quickly gained a reputation as fearsome horsemen and carved out their own territories. In the mountainous border country, the new blood mixed with the old in marriage alliances as often as it was shed by shining swords.
Janos was one of the former, the son of a Magyar lord and a witch of Bassarab blood. He was cunning, fierce, and strong and determined to carve out his own legend. In doing so, he attracted the attention of the Night and one of its elders took him as his own in 1178. He retains faith in the Old Religion and does not regard himself as damned.
Centuries later, Janos is still young and strong. Black curly hair still hangs almost to his shoulders and his beard is full. He is adept with both sword and axe and at home in the saddle, but he no longer dreams of forging his own kingdom.
Personality: Inquisitive and intelligent, the vampire's ambition and arrogance have been blunted by spending much of his time with entities more powerful than him. The old fire still burns within his veins and he can be just as ferocious if roused, but tends to be amiable and charming otherwise.
Notable Vulnerabilities: Sunlight is an irritant if he sufficiently heavily garbed, although his powers are weaker during the daytime. As a creature of Earth and the Night, crossing running water weakens and hurts him although bridges, horses and simply leaping can overcome such barriers. He is markedly less vulnerable to objects Holy to the Day than many other vampires, but by no means immune. He bears a bloodline weakness that causes silver to poison his flesh and reduce his ability to regenerate.
Powers: He can manifest deadly claws and fangs in a moment, along with a predatory aspect. True shapechanging is beyond him. He can fog the minds of lessers and dominate the wills of others, especially if he has fed upon them. Wolves and other beasts of the night are particularly susceptible to his powers and summons. He possesses the physical prowess and regenerative abilities common to vampires of greater than a century in age, but sorcery is where his most fearsome talents lie. Janos possesses formidable telekinetic and pyrokinetic abilities.
Haven: A hidden tower in Transylvannia, protected by the forest. Here he conducts his experiments and investigations, attended to by a small number of retainers. When his thirst grows great (his retainers are enough to satisfy most of his needs), he tends to go reaving through the lands of those who have displeased him. He travels often.
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It looks good Cynical.
By the way, for this story you are playing the "good guys" in so far as you do not revel in your monstrosity and generally have to deal with pesky things like morals. (If you want to play monsterous characters, after this story is done I'll prepare another one that will let you do that.)
Furthermore, the story is starting in the Northern portion of the Holy Roman Empire, and from there is going to end up doing quite a bit of travelling. My idea right now is that in terms of currency you're either going to be trading or using Florin, but languages will be an issue. So I'd suggest your characters knowing a few languages.
A general summery of Europe:
England- Nominally Christian, England has practically formed it's own brand of Christianity with a great deal of pagan influence. Much of England has no love for the pope and there is generally a great deal of rumbling of trouble coming from England.
Ireland- A few missionaries have come to the shores of Ireland and found them to be welcome, but the majority of Ireland remains very heavily pagan.
Spain- Unified only a few years ago, Spain still struggles against the Muslims in an attempt to reclaim their peninsula in the name of Jesus and their own ancestry. The Muslims have been pushed back far, but there is still a ways to go.
France- Perhaps the most loyal nation to the pope in all of Christendom, France is wholey Christian from populace to royalty.
Italian Kingdoms- These various kingdoms are all Christian, though their loyalty to the pope depends upon what the pope had done for them lately, these are rich kingdoms.
Holy Roman Empire- This kingdom's royalty are easily the most loyal to the decrees of the pope and are seen as many as the 'watchdog' of Christendom. Among the populace Christianity has a rather strong hold but some pagan beliefs refuse to be snuffed out.
Hungary- In return for the assistance of the other Christian nations, this king has recently converted to Christianity. Many of the princes and populace however, retain their pagan beliefs though harsh laws are beginning to stamp this out.
Poland- A wholey pagan nation, they have no loyalty to the pope or any of the other Christian states. They constantly battle both the Holy Roman Empire and the Teutonic Knights based near their borders.
Russia- Recently freed from the rule of the Mongols, the united Russia is stronger than ever before and does not look kindly upon what they see as the invasion of Christianity into their borders.
By the way, for this story you are playing the "good guys" in so far as you do not revel in your monstrosity and generally have to deal with pesky things like morals. (If you want to play monsterous characters, after this story is done I'll prepare another one that will let you do that.)
Furthermore, the story is starting in the Northern portion of the Holy Roman Empire, and from there is going to end up doing quite a bit of travelling. My idea right now is that in terms of currency you're either going to be trading or using Florin, but languages will be an issue. So I'd suggest your characters knowing a few languages.
A general summery of Europe:
England- Nominally Christian, England has practically formed it's own brand of Christianity with a great deal of pagan influence. Much of England has no love for the pope and there is generally a great deal of rumbling of trouble coming from England.
Ireland- A few missionaries have come to the shores of Ireland and found them to be welcome, but the majority of Ireland remains very heavily pagan.
Spain- Unified only a few years ago, Spain still struggles against the Muslims in an attempt to reclaim their peninsula in the name of Jesus and their own ancestry. The Muslims have been pushed back far, but there is still a ways to go.
France- Perhaps the most loyal nation to the pope in all of Christendom, France is wholey Christian from populace to royalty.
Italian Kingdoms- These various kingdoms are all Christian, though their loyalty to the pope depends upon what the pope had done for them lately, these are rich kingdoms.
Holy Roman Empire- This kingdom's royalty are easily the most loyal to the decrees of the pope and are seen as many as the 'watchdog' of Christendom. Among the populace Christianity has a rather strong hold but some pagan beliefs refuse to be snuffed out.
Hungary- In return for the assistance of the other Christian nations, this king has recently converted to Christianity. Many of the princes and populace however, retain their pagan beliefs though harsh laws are beginning to stamp this out.
Poland- A wholey pagan nation, they have no loyalty to the pope or any of the other Christian states. They constantly battle both the Holy Roman Empire and the Teutonic Knights based near their borders.
Russia- Recently freed from the rule of the Mongols, the united Russia is stronger than ever before and does not look kindly upon what they see as the invasion of Christianity into their borders.
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After looking through the list of monsters on Wikipedia, if I were to choose a monster that you have not listed yet, I'd lean toward an Ifrit form of Djinn.
For gameplay purposes however, their powers are not quantified well, apart from stating that they generally are massless, normally invisible to humans unless they consciously wish otherwise, can assume human form (in which case they are indistinguishable from humans by normal eyes, but not by wizards and others presumably) and the darker ones can perform dark magic.
Well Charon, if this sort of character would be alright with you, I'd quantify them as follows:
- normally invisible to humans
- can assume one visible form of each species, but cannot copy any specific members of any species; they are individuals no matter which form they take (and must spend time studying a particular species to assume that form)
- look like their bodies are made out of "smokeless fire" in their natural form
- capable of their own brand of magic, and the more insidious Djinn can perform dark magics just like humans can
- have their own families, religions, and societies
- are much longer-lived than humans (wikipedia was unclear; they probably live to be about 300-400 years)
- some djinn act as "supernatural thieves" (presumably due to taking advantage of their natural invisibility to humans, with their magic)
More specifically for my potential character, I'd make him experienced with his human form, to the point of being an excellent swordsman, and know some magics as well. Not to the power level of shifting reality around like a wizard can, but similar to the limitations in spells of a Gunmage in IK, without the whole gun thing. Perhaps he'd have some healing spells as a result of that, if that wouldn't be going too far.
For gameplay purposes however, their powers are not quantified well, apart from stating that they generally are massless, normally invisible to humans unless they consciously wish otherwise, can assume human form (in which case they are indistinguishable from humans by normal eyes, but not by wizards and others presumably) and the darker ones can perform dark magic.
Well Charon, if this sort of character would be alright with you, I'd quantify them as follows:
- normally invisible to humans
- can assume one visible form of each species, but cannot copy any specific members of any species; they are individuals no matter which form they take (and must spend time studying a particular species to assume that form)
- look like their bodies are made out of "smokeless fire" in their natural form
- capable of their own brand of magic, and the more insidious Djinn can perform dark magics just like humans can
- have their own families, religions, and societies
- are much longer-lived than humans (wikipedia was unclear; they probably live to be about 300-400 years)
- some djinn act as "supernatural thieves" (presumably due to taking advantage of their natural invisibility to humans, with their magic)
More specifically for my potential character, I'd make him experienced with his human form, to the point of being an excellent swordsman, and know some magics as well. Not to the power level of shifting reality around like a wizard can, but similar to the limitations in spells of a Gunmage in IK, without the whole gun thing. Perhaps he'd have some healing spells as a result of that, if that wouldn't be going too far.
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Your naturally invisible, intangible, and have no weaknesses? My GM sense says Charon will say "no".
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I'm dropping the "intangible" part of it, since that's bullshit anyway. Weaknesses the Wikipedia page was nondescript on, so I'm open to suggestions there; basically I'm trying to quantify them for play, as Charon did for the other monsters.Cynical Cat wrote:Your naturally invisible, intangible, and have no weaknesses? My GM sense says Charon will say "no".
So basically, this is "in-progress."
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