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Portfolio.com wrote:Edgar Bronfman Jr.'s Warner Music Group has tapped industry veteran Jim Griffin to spearhead a controversial plan to bundle a monthly fee into consumers' internet-service bills for unlimited access to music.

The plan—the boldest move yet to keep the wounded entertainment industry giants afloat—is simple: Consumers will pay a monthly fee, bundled into an internet-service bill in exchange for unfettered access to a database of all known music.

Bronfman's decision to hire Griffin, a respected industry critic, demonstrates the desperation of the recording industry. It has shrunk to a $10 billion business from $15 billion in almost a decade. Compact disc sales are plummeting as online music downloads skyrocket.

"Today, it has become purely voluntary to pay for music," Griffin told Portfolio.com in an exclusive sit-down this week. "If I tell you to go listen to this band, you could pay, or you might not. It's pretty much up to you. So the music business has become a big tip jar."

Nothing provokes sheer terror in the recording industry more than the rise of peer-to-peer file-sharing networks. For years, digital-music seers have argued the rise of such networks has made copyright law obsolete and free music distribution universal.


Bronfman has asked Griffin, formerly Geffen Music's digital chief, to develop a model that would create a pool of money from user fees to be distributed to artists and copyright holders. Warner has given Griffin a three-year contract to form a new organization to spearhead the plan.

Griffin says he hopes to move beyond the years of acrimonious record-industry litigation against illegal file-swappers, college students in particular.

"We're still clinging to the vine of music as a product," Griffin says, calling the industry’s plight "Tarzan" economics.

"But we're swinging toward the vine of music as a service. We need to get ready to let go and grab the next vine, which is a pool of money and a fair way to split it up, rather than controlling the quantity and destiny of sound recordings."

In the last year, the Recording Association of America, the industry group that represents the major labels, has sent 5,400 threatening letters to students at more than 150 schools, and reached settlements with more than 2,300 them. It has filed formal lawsuits against 2,465 others, who did not respond.

"I don't think we should be suing students and I don't think we should be suing people in their homes," says Griffin. "We want to monetize the anarchy of the internet."

Griffin says Warner Music is "totally committed to this." The fundamental issue, he says, is whether music consumers will buy songs and albums individually, or whether they will subscribe monthly to access a "universal" database of songs.

Will Tanous, Warner Music's communications chief, said Griffin's initiative is part of Warner's "ongoing effort to explore new business models in the music industry."

In recent weeks, major music industry players have signaled their interest in the "music as a service" model.

Sony BMG Music Entertainment is said to be developing an online music subscription service that would give users unlimited access to its catalog.

Apple is reportedly negotiating with the major record labels to offer consumers free access to the entire iTunes library in exchange for paying a premium for Apple hardware.

Warner's plan would have consumers pay an additional fee—maybe $5 a month—bundled into their monthly internet-access bill in exchange for the right to freely download, upload, copy, and share music without restrictions.

Griffin says those fees could create a pool as large as $20 billion annually to pay artists and copyright holders. Eventually, advertising could subsidize the entire system, so that users who don't want to receive ads could pay the fee, and those who don't mind advertising wouldn't pay a dime.

"Ideally, music will feel free," says Griffin. "Even if you pay a flat fee for it, at the moment you use it there are no financial considerations. It's already been paid for."

While few of the plan's details have emerged, critics have begun their attacks.

David Barrett, engineering manager for peer-to-peer networks at Web content-delivery giant Akamai, says he's opposed to it on principle. Griffin's plan, he says, is tantamount to extortion, because it forces everyone to join.

"It's too late to charge people for what they're already getting for free," says Barrett. "This is just taxation of a basic, universal service that already exists, for the benefit a distant power that actively harasses the people being taxed without offering them any meaningful representation."

Griffin, who in 1994 was part of the team that made Aerosmith's "Head First" the first song available on the internet, goes to great pains to emphasize that the collective licensing plan is not "his" plan.

"This isn't my idea," says Griffin. "While I would gladly take the credit, blanket licensing has over 150 years of history behind it."

"Collective licensing is what people do when they lose control, or when control is no longer practical or efficient," Griffin says. "A pool of money and a fair way to split it up replaces control."

Griffin was quick to point out that the $5 figure is arbitrary.

"We negotiate in every place," Griffin says. "Clearly $5 per month would be an insane number in China or India. If you could get a nickel a month you could grow the business tenfold in those countries. In another country that had a high G.D.P., a nickel per month would be ridiculously cheap. So you negotiate. Fair is whatever you agree upon."

Griffin says Bronfman and Michael Nash, the company's digital-strategy chief, brought him into Warner to create an organization to negotiate collective licensing deals. But Griffin's ambitions extend far beyond just Warner Music.

"We're building a [as yet unnamed] company inside Warner that is not intended to be solely owned by Warner," Griffin says. "We hope all of the rights holders will come in and take ownership with us, and Warner will not control it. Our goal is to create a collective society for the digital age."

Meanwhile, critics have already attacked the plan as a kind of mandatory "culture tax."

"Jim will vehemently deny the 'tax' label," says Akamai's Barrett. "But it's a tax nonetheless. It'll be a government-approved cartel that collects money from virtually everyone—often without their knowledge—and failure to pay their tax will ultimately result in people with guns coming to your door.

"Jim's proposal does nothing but direct money to the very people that tried to prevent this future from coming to be," Barrett adds, "while further legitimizing the terror being waged in the courtrooms against their members."

Griffin dismisses such criticism.

"I understand what David is thinking, but I assure you, we have no such interest in government running this or having any part of it," he says.

Griffin says that in just the few weeks since Warner began working on this plan, the company has been approached by internet service providers "who want to discharge their risk."

"But more important than the risk for an I.S.P. is the marketing," Griffin says, drawing a comparison to Starbucks' marketing of "fair trade" coffee.

"I.S.P.'s want to distinguish themselves with marketing," Griffin says. "You can only imagine that an I.S.P. that marketed a 'fair trade' network connection would see a marketing advantage."

Gerd Leonhard, a respected music-industry consultant who has advised Sony/BMG, which recently announced plans for a flat-rate-subscription model for digital music, rejects Barrett's argument that the monthly fee amounts to a tax.

"This is not a tax," says Leonhard. "It's bundled into another charge."

"People should not be too harsh on Jim for trying to get the ball rolling," says Leonhard. "At this point, 96 percent of the population is guilty of some sort of infringement, whether they're streaming or downloading or sharing.

"What we have here is the widespread use of technology that declares all of the population to be illegal."
This is the first solution from the U.S. music industry that actually appears to have some thought behind it - perhaps the slight smell of desperation in the idea is the reason.

However, how well this would work depends entirely on the format the music will be available in. If it's in MP3 or another completely DRM-less format, and at good quality (e.g. a bitrate of 192 or more), then I confess to being curious.
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I'd shoot for FLAC myself if I had the choice.

And I agree, overall it's not a half-bad idea. My only complaint is not seeing how it's split. Is it going to be more of the same split that is currently done with the artist, agent and record company? I.e 15% 7% and about 78%? Because at that point the record industry is effectively doing NOTHING. Recent artists like Radiohead and NIN have released albums for free and requested donations or did pay for better quality or pay for extras. And it's been DAMNED effective. Another thing that the industry hates. Artists taking it into their own hands.

Personally, I hope to continue to see the NIN/Radiohead idea played out with more bands/artists. The RIAA and the MPAA are useless bloated vehicles of a bygone era that no long are needed. Their struggle to continue to prove themselves useful is the main reason for their lost income. That and the fact that they're dirty terrorists who consider their own customers to all be criminals. The only crime is their antics, the fact that our government backs them on it and that they continue to produce album after album full of shit music with maybe one or two decent tracks on the entire thing and toss a $20 price tag on it. And they wonder why nobody wants to buy whole albums and gladly turn to Itunes and others. When I can download the good tracks and pay $1 or so for them that's a lot more cost effective for me then paying $15-20 for an album full of shit and one good track that I actually want.

Ah well. Maybe this will work, maybe it won't. Hopefully if it does the artists really renegotiate their cut from this because they're the only ones doing the work in that format.
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That's actually an excellent point - the RIAA is trying to hold onto what it perceives as its "right," despite the increasing desperation with which this point of view is colliding with reality. If they keep short-changing the people who actually make them money (e.g. the actual musicians themselves), then this is simply adapting an old model of greed to a new system.

If the RIAA was trimmed down to a small entity that charged a musician who managed to become popular a flat 40% to distribute their music to everyone over the Internet, I think this would be an excellent compromise, especially what with how CD sales have been tanking.

Now, I also have to ask - making "all music available" for this flat rate sounds interesting, but what about musicians and music groups from outside the U.S., such as Lacuna Coil, Wolfmother, or Guano Apes? Will their music be made available through the same medium, and at the same "benefit" to the musicians?
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rhoenix wrote:That's actually an excellent point - the RIAA is trying to hold onto what it perceives as its "right," despite the increasing desperation with which this point of view is colliding with reality. If they keep short-changing the people who actually make them money (e.g. the actual musicians themselves), then this is simply adapting an old model of greed to a new system.

If the RIAA was trimmed down to a small entity that charged a musician who managed to become popular a flat 40% to distribute their music to everyone over the Internet, I think this would be an excellent compromise, especially what with how CD sales have been tanking.

Now, I also have to ask - making "all music available" for this flat rate sounds interesting, but what about musicians and music groups from outside the U.S., such as Lacuna Coil, Wolfmother, or Guano Apes? Will their music be made available through the same medium, and at the same "benefit" to the musicians?
My theory on that part of it would be that IF they come to the US on a regular basis to promote thier music ( by a tour of some kind), then they are subject to a percentage of it.
In the other countries of the world, it would be up to the country to make these same agreements.
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FickityTwists wrote:My theory on that part of it would be that IF they come to the US on a regular basis to promote thier music ( by a tour of some kind), then they are subject to a percentage of it.
In the other countries of the world, it would be up to the country to make these same agreements.
Well, that would make sense - but would their music be made available under the proposed $5 a month service proposed in the article? If so, what criterion would be used to allow or disallow an individual song, album, or artist?
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Also, I want to call bullshit on "all music available" Lets face it, there are bands and albums out there that you're not going to find on this vaunted "all for one low cost" platform. And then it's just false advertisement.

The RIAA doesn't even deserve 40%. They're not even worth that. Really, what do they do for the artist anymore? What do they do for anyone? They're an outmoded outdated entity that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs instead of hanging around biting, clawing and feeblely fighting like Hillary Clinton...
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B4UTRUST wrote:Also, I want to call bullshit on "all music available" Lets face it, there are bands and albums out there that you're not going to find on this vaunted "all for one low cost" platform. And then it's just false advertisement.

The RIAA doesn't even deserve 40%. They're not even worth that. Really, what do they do for the artist anymore? What do they do for anyone? They're an outmoded outdated entity that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs instead of hanging around biting, clawing and feeblely fighting like Hillary Clinton...
Well, that is true. My thoughts on that are that even now there are groups that are not available in music stores everywhere because that groups genre isnt as big as it is in another area.
EG: Seven Nations and Retrograde are two of my favorite groups. Yet, I can not find thier stuff in my local music stores, but I can order it off their websites or something of that nature ( they are both signed to popular labels, so thats not it either).
And then there are those underground groups ( EG: gothic/industrial).
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E nomine is mine like that. As is Kidney Thieves, Cruxshadows and Collide. Sometimes you can find them in stores but it's VERY rare and Kidney thieves are the only ones I've ever found
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rhoenix wrote:
FickityTwists wrote:My theory on that part of it would be that IF they come to the US on a regular basis to promote thier music ( by a tour of some kind), then they are subject to a percentage of it.
In the other countries of the world, it would be up to the country to make these same agreements.
Well, that would make sense - but would their music be made available under the proposed $5 a month service proposed in the article? If so, what criterion would be used to allow or disallow an individual song, album, or artist?
That would be up to the artist and thier record company.
They might choose to release earlier in other countries before releasing in the US for that reason.
They could also simply come out with an smaller album that is available in the US. Eg: Instead of 15 songs, it would be 5. There are artists already that are offering thier songs for DL from thier site for .75 cents to a dollar.
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FickityTwists wrote:That would be up to the artist and thier record company.
They might choose to release earlier in other countries before releasing in the US for that reason.
Okay, but how would such a thing be regulated and moderated, if this entire thing is Internet-based?
FickityTwists wrote:They could also simply come out with an smaller album that is available in the US. Eg: Instead of 15 songs, it would be 5. There are artists already that are offering thier songs for DL from thier site for .75 cents to a dollar.
I'm not disputing this at all; in fact, I think this is largely what's been generating the fetid odor of desperation from the RIAA. However, as reprehensible as the actions of the RIAA have been, they do offer a standard of sorts for music sales and distribution.

If the RIAA were valued more for the standard they can offer than for their own self-eroding power structure, then this whole mess would be cleaned up rather fast. Unfortunately, greedy self-interest permeates the RIAA at present, making this unlikely - one only has to observe their actions to see that they're only now realizing that their strongarm tricks aren't working, after nearly a decade of repeated failure and bad publicity.
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The hell. First Rosen, formerly of the RIAA, slams Clinton(Who she's been a major surrogate for) for not endorsing Obama, and now the present recording industry shows the slightest hint of sanity?

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How do they pay the artists who made the sales? Can anyone just put his song up there and expect an equal piece of the payment pie, or is it based on how many downloads there are?

If the former, my band is going pro! If the latter, then wouldn't the musicians still want to stop sharing so they can make their money?

Moreover, this fee had better be voluntary; I'll be pissed if I have to pay it myself.

My solution here is to simply let the RIAA die. Musicians can play and hire someone independent to record it for a fee, then give this recording away and hope to make money off donations or live performances. The tip jar the guy mentioned makes sense to me - a fee doesn't. If someone wants to do a music store burning it himself, fine, but it is non exclusive. This is a model that kinda works in the software world (I say kinda because software people can still be contracted out to do custom stuff (musicians can too, but that seems like a smaller market) and sell things like support services separately from the software itself. Music can't do that.).
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