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LOS ANGELES -- Two things are certain in California's mounting legal showdown over same-sex marriage: Gay couples will wed this month, and, come November, voters will decide whether the state's constitution should exclude them from such unions.

If the vote is yes, the only certainty will be confusion.

On Monday, a ballot measure allowing voters to define marriage as a union "between a man and a woman" was certified for the Nov. 4 election. Two days later, the California Supreme Court refused to rehear the same-sex marriage case or delay its decision legalizing such marriages, effective June 16.

The developments -- victories for both sides of the debate -- have engendered questions, most notably this: If California voters ban same-sex marriage in November, what happens to the thousands of couples expected to wed between the middle of this month and then?

It's a question no one can answer, say legal experts, who can only make predictions as California barrels down this untraveled legal path.

"If the November measure were to pass, we would be entering unprecedented territory," said David B. Cruz, an expert on constitutional law at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. "We have never seen a constitutional amendment like this in California that would take away rights that people had already exercised."

The language of the measure does not seem to suggest revoking marriages that take place between June and November, legal experts say. But such a move would depend on the courts' interpretation of the proposed amendment.

Experts say that if the measure passes, the state may choose to recognize the marriages, creating a pocket of married same-sex couples. "It just means that people who didn't take advantage of that window can't get married until or unless that amendment was repealed down the road," said Vikram Amar, a law professor at the University of California at Davis.

Hence the hurry with which couples are booking appointments with wedding vendors and county clerks. San Francisco city officials expect as many as 500 couples to marry per day, for days on end. In Los Angeles County, the clerk's phone is ringing off the hook.

Alternatively, under the amendment, the state may be compelled to recognize married same-sex couples as domestic partners or even forcibly divorce them.

Voiding such marriages would create a slew of other headaches for couples who purchased property, signed contracts or took out insurance policies together, said Bill Araiza, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "These are problems that I'm foreseeing in just 10 seconds, so you can imagine that a court really thinking about this would be loath to open up this can of worms to interpret this initiative as retroactive," Araiza said.

No one knows how many same-sex couples plan to marry in the months before the November election. About 51,000 couples, half the gay couples in California, are projected to wed over the next three years, according to the Williams Institute, which focuses on sexual orientation law and policy, at the University of California at Los Angeles. Most of those will marry this year.

Recent polls indicate that voters could go either way on the measure. One, by the Los Angeles Times and TV station KTLA, found that 54 percent of voters support the proposed amendment. Not long after, a Field Poll found that 51 percent approve of the idea of allowing same-sex couples to marry.

Should voters approve the measure, Cruz said, offering another potential outcome, it could inadvertently affect traditional marriages. That's because the amendment would undo only part of the court's decision -- allowing gay couples to marry -- but not the rest, which says that same-sex couples cannot be recognized differently than opposite-sex couples, he said.

"If you've got those two rules -- that you can't let them marry, but you can't give different options to gay and straight couples -- then one possible outcome, if the amendment were to pass, is that no one could get married in California," Cruz said.

Some experts found that scenario highly unlikely, saying such a reading of the decision would be much too technical -- and cause too much chaos.

The sense of confusion was heightened last week when the clerk of Kern County announced that she would stop performing all marriages -- gay and heterosexual -- on June 13, three days before the court decision goes into effect. The clerk said among her reasons were lack of space, staff, money and security.

The unpredictability of the situation, along with the potential legal tangles, should make same-sex couples think twice about walking down the isle, said Ron Prentice, steering committee chairman of ProtectMarriage.com, the coalition behind the ballot measure.

"I think there would be wisdom in counting the cost of rushing into marriage prior to the people's vote in November," he said. "Legal expertise comes down on both sides, but both statewide and nationally, these few months will provide a few years of legal turmoil and will certainly go to the courts again."

But Ryan James, 32, and Moe Perez, 39, of Oakland said they are going ahead with their wedding and are too harried planning for their August ceremony to worry about what might happen afterward. Said Perez: "We're more concerned about trying to find a caterer."
Same-sex couples can't marry, you can't treat opposite sex couples differently from same sex, ergo, no one can marry.

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Conservatives just hate the fact that their last big "get" in terms of judicial activism was Dred Scott. Since then, courts have been in most respects more progressive than any other branch.

The amendment will probably pass however. San Francisco is very progressive, but the rural areas of the state are not, and Hispanic voters (an increasing demographic) tend to vote conservative on cultural issues.

This really shows the foolishness of 50%+1 constitutional amendments though. An issue as fundamental as human rights shouldn't be subject to a simple majority.
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Wow. That's just pants-on-head retarded right there. :wtf:
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Man, if everyone in California lost the ability to be legally married because they voted to get rid of gay marriage it would be hilariously poetic.

'You're all bickering over this marriage thing? FINE, now you get NOTHING!'
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I expect the Cal court to rule in such a way that no-one can get married. Heh. Take THAT bigots. Now you will know what it is like.
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