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NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Nightfall and rising violence threatened to further disrupt relief efforts Thursday in New Orleans as authorities rescued residents still trapped in the flooded city and evacuated thousands of others living among corpses and human waste.

The director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Michael Brown, said his agency was attempting to work "under conditions of urban warfare."

From the roof of a police station downtown late Thursday, groups of officers armed with rifles could be seen venturing out into the streets, while helicopters buzzed overhead and a shopping mall burned in the distance.

Police warned a CNN crew to stay off the streets because of escalating danger, and cautioned others about attempted shootings and rapes by groups of young men.

"This is a desperate SOS," New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said in a statement Thursday afternoon, with thousands of people stranded at the city's convention center with no food, water or electricity -- and fading hope.

Residents expressed growing frustration with the disorder evident on the streets, raising questions about the coordination and timeliness of relief efforts.

Video from the convention center showed a group chanting "we want help, we want help," as mothers tried to console their tired and hungry children. (See video on the desperate conditions -- 4:36 )

Government officials insisted they were putting forth their best efforts and pleaded for patience, saying further help was on the way.

One displaced resident at the Louisiana Superdome, however, issued a warning to authorities who may be headed to the stadium, where up to 30,000 people had sought refuge after Monday's hurricane and now await evacuation to Texas by bus.

"Please don't send the National Guard," he said. "Send someone with a bullhorn outside the place that can talk to these people first."

He described scenes of lawlessness and desperation, with people simply dragging corpses into corners.

"They have quite a few people running around here with guns," he said. "You got these young teenage boys running around up here raping these girls."

Elsewhere, groups of armed men wandered the streets, buildings smoldered and people picked through stores for what they could find.

Charity Hospital, one of several facilities attempting to evacuate patients, was forced to halt the effort after coming under sniper fire. (Full story)
Living 'like animals'

The city is "out of resources at the convention center and doesn't anticipate enough buses," the mayor said in his statement.

CNN's Chris Lawrence described "many, many" bodies, inside and outside the facility on New Orleans' Riverwalk.

"There are multiple people dying at the convention center," Lawrence said. "There was an old woman, dead in a wheelchair with a blanket draped over her, pushed up against a wall. Horrible, horrible conditions.

"We saw a man who went into a seizure, literally dying right in front of us."

Nagin said that "the convention center is unsanitary and unsafe and we are running out of supplies for [15,000 to 20,000] people."

He said the city would allow people to march up the Crescent City Connection to the Westbank Expressway in an effort to find help.

People were "being forced to live like animals," Lawrence said, surrounded by piles of trash and feces.

He said thousands of people were just lying on the ground outside the building -- many old, or sick, or caring for infants and small children.

More people were arriving at the center, walking south along Canal Street. The route north to the Superdome is blocked by chest-deep water.

The convention center was used as a secondary shelter when the Louisiana Superdome was overwhelmed.

Food drops began Thursday afternoon at the convention center, as rain also began falling.

A National Guard helicopter delivered MREs -- meals ready to eat -- and bottles of water. The amounts in the first few drops, however, were far short of enough for everyone.

State officials believe Katrina and its aftermath killed "thousands" of people in New Orleans and surrounding parishes, but no official count had been compiled, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said Thursday.

Brown said those who ignored the city's mandatory evacuation order bore some responsibility.

"I think the death toll may go into the thousands and, unfortunately, that's going to be attributable a lot to people who did not heed the advance warnings," Michael Brown told CNN.
Evacuation points swamped with people

A Louisiana National Guard official told CNN Thursday morning that between 50,000 and 60,000 people had converged at evacuation points near the Superdome hoping to get on one of the buses out of town.

"It's no longer just evacuees from the Superdome, as citizens who were holed up in high-rise office buildings and hotels saw buses moving into the dome, they realized this is an evacuation point," Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of the Louisiana National Guard said. (Watch report on violence delaying evacuation -- 1:51)

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff denied reports that rescue efforts in New Orleans had been halted for security reasons Thursday, saying those operations "are continuing in full force."

"We are going to continue to increase the tempo of that program until we've cleared people out of the Superdome and we've cleared people out of New Orleans," he said.

Chertoff said that the Coast Guard has rescued about 3,000 people from flooded areas in New Orleans and the surrounding parishes.

Nagin ordered his police force to leave search-and-rescue operations to the Coast Guard and concentrate on establishing order.

But officers told CNN they lacked manpower and steady communications to properly do their jobs -- and that they needed help to prevent the widespread looting and violence now prevalent in the city.

A police officer working in downtown New Orleans said police were siphoning gas from abandoned vehicles in an effort to keep their squad cars running.

The officer said police are "on their own" for food and water, scrounging up what they can from anybody who is generous enough to give them some -- and that they have no communication whatsoever. Police also told CNN they were removing ammunition from looted gunshops in an effort to get it off the streets.

Chertoff said that 4,200 National Guard military police would be deployed in New Orleans over the next three days, nearly quadrupling the overall law enforcement presence there.

Blanco said Thursday she has requested the mobilization of 40,000 National Guard troops to restore order and assist in relief efforts.
Power out; gas prices rising

The breadth of the brutality of Hurricane Katrina became clearer as more death toll figures began to filter in from Mississippi's coastal region.

Authorities said at least 185 people died in Monday's Category 4 storm.

Katrina knocked out electricity for more than 2.3 million people in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida.

Meanwhile, the storm's effect on oil supplies and gas prices spread nationwide, prompting the White House to tap the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

Two major suppliers of gasoline to the Eastern Seaboard of the United States resumed partial service Thursday.

The news came as gasoline prices surged to more than $3 a gallon in some parts of the country due to outages and bottlenecks in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. (Full story)

The flow of water into New Orleans from Lake Pontchartrain has abated, Army Corps of Engineers officials said. But engineers won't begin trying to pump out the water until the breaches are plugged. (Recovery efforts)

The Army Corps of Engineers is attempting to plug a 300-foot breach in the Industrial Canal, a 500-foot breach in the 17th Street Canal and two smaller breaches in the London Avenue Canal.
I want each of the bastards who taken this excuse to behave like a soulless monster found and hung from the neck until dead. None of this clean neck snappery pansy shit either. I mean full on choke to death, your tounage swelling to the size of a damn sponge, your face turning blacker than a starless night viewed from within a sewer hung!

The time for national guardmens has passed. We're dealing with something straight out of 3rd world civil war here. It's time to send in professal troops! The guardsmen are good men and women but they are not pros and they are not equipped for this nightmare. JR GET THE DAMNED TROOPS!

Pardon my outburst. Please post additional stories below. I fear we are going to see to many more pieces of news that are going to verge on nightmare.
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I think a 'Looters will be shot' statement is in order, along with some hangings from lamp posts.
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You'll be happy Frigid.

Hurlburt Field and Eglin are prepping for our duties out there. We've got daily convoys of supplies and setup materials and we're getting up lists of those who are going. I'll be leaving in a week or so myself.

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I've been reading the blog from someone stuck inside NO(inside office building, generators and all that), its hell, complete hell out there.
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Good God... to think that people could become such monsters... I have friend's in NO (Ein and a few others) , I do hope that they are OK, havent heard from them
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National disasters brings out the best in people... :roll:
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You'll be happy Frigid.

Hurlburt Field and Eglin are prepping for our duties out there. We've got daily convoys of supplies and setup materials and we're getting up lists of those who are going. I'll be leaving in a week or so myself.

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Dun worry. Once we get out operation in order and head out in force things will happen. Spec Ops has been sending our convoys out daily with supplies and such so we'll be there shortly.

And agnostic really but close enough.

But from what we've been told currently from the brass up on high, and this is coming directly from the Wing King General himself...

We'll be moving into Biloxi first and reestablishing operations at Keesler AFB. Remind me someone and I'll upload pics of the damage there. We'll be getting them situated with water, power and some sort of living facilities and probably using that as another base of operations. We'll be running supply lines in from there and from Eglin, Pensacola NAS, and Hurlburt Field. Afterwards we'll repair basics in Biloxi and move directly into Orleans from there.

Everyone from administrative, finance, flightline techs, medics, mechanics, computer geeks, everyone, has been ordered to minimal manning for mission essentials and everyone else goes to help.

Our only current fear at the moment is fuel supply lines in the area and such. NW florida is almost totally out of gas and they're talking oct before we get a good steady supply in. So that will play a big part in. I'm sure military operations won't have to worry to much as we'll get it air lifted in from other bases if need be... but personel as a whole are going to have to deal with it somehow and that will be a big problem.
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Good luck B4, and this completly shows how near the edge is between humanity and acting like animals.
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I'm ruthless perhaps, but one of the first things I'd declare is looters, rapist and other severe problem instigators get shot on sight. That should deter a lot of the people. For those it doesn't, shoot them. They're either too stupid or inhumane to be worth the effort. If they chose to act like dangerous animals, they will be dealt with as dangerous animals.
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I think before they say that looter with be shot on sight, no exceptions, they need to consider that a lot of people are looting food and water. I know that not all of them, possibly not most, are doing that but shooting people trying to survive when you can't help is worse.
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Lord Stormbringer wrote:I think before they say that looter with be shot on sight, no exceptions, they need to consider that a lot of people are looting food and water. I know that not all of them, possibly not most, are doing that but shooting people trying to survive when you can't help is worse.
Just keep in my I didn't say 'no exceptions'. There's a big different between a guy grabbing a bunch of bread and water instead of TVs, VRCs, etc.
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There are reports of malarial fever in children being evacuated from NO. If malaria gets a foothold in the stagnant waters of NO now, it could spread back through the southeastern US.

Looters have been attacking hospitals and overturning their evacuation boats as well as taking shots at rescue helicopters. Of course, the moment a looter shooting at a hospital is killed, then they'll all be screaming racism. As my friend from NO said, the ghetto mentality of "fuck everything up and then complain about it" is alive and well.


Would there be any way of leaving behind the people who could have fled the city but decided not to and now bitch about how nobody's helping them?
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Mayabird wrote:There are reports of malarial fever in children being evacuated from NO. If malaria gets a foothold in the stagnant waters of NO now, it could spread back through the southeastern US.
Aren't there treatments? It might be bad but malaria was there, is there, and probably will be there. Worse comes to worse we break out the DDT and bring it back under control.
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Worse comes to worse we break out the DDT and bring it back under control.
I'll bet dollars to pecos we get Greenpeace bitching about that if it happens. Frankly if it's choice between a malarial outbreak and DDT? Bring on the chemicals!
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Well in other news on the front of gas shortages...

Word has it the EPA is going to lower emissions standards so we will be able to import some gas from Mexico till this whole fiasco in the Gulf is taken care of.

I know most of NW FL is now out of gas. As is parts of GA, SC, NC and VA.

Hope everyone else is faring better then we are...

If it gets much worse out here the military is fucked. We're already on Gas Contingency Phase 1 at the moment and looking to be on Phase 2 by Tuesday.
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RE: Looters -

Before I left to come on this job, Govenor Blanco informed us 300 Marines "fresh" from Iraq had put to shore on the edge of New Orleans, weapons armed and ready, with orders to "Shoot to Kill" anyone looting in New Orleans (with descretion of course).

More are on the way, as the Govenor has asked for a additional 40k troops to come into Louisianna alone, to help restore order in New Orleans and the surronding parishes.

Two aircraft carriers are also set to be based near New Orleans in the Gulf of Mexico.

to keep up to date on the situation in New Orleans, visit http://www.nola.com they are updating the website as they can.
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frigidmagi wrote:
Worse comes to worse we break out the DDT and bring it back under control.
I'll bet dollars to pecos we get Greenpeace bitching about that if it happens. Frankly if it's choice between a malarial outbreak and DDT? Bring on the chemicals!
Frankly, my stance on Greenpeace is that if they don't want animal testing we test on Greenpeace. I'm all for letting them get malaria, Nature's way of culling the stupid ones from the herd.

As for DDT itself, the harm is as usual exageratted, misattributed, and less dengerous than advertised. Not to say that it's by any means a nice stuff, it kills things after all, but malaria is a bit more of a killer.
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Oh, and have i mentioned I hate hearing the shit bags whoring this tragedy for political purposes?
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My stance on whoring disasters is well-registered. Nothing like politicians showing up to look heroic after the fact.
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Lord Stormbringer wrote:
frigidmagi wrote:
Worse comes to worse we break out the DDT and bring it back under control.
I'll bet dollars to pecos we get Greenpeace bitching about that if it happens. Frankly if it's choice between a malarial outbreak and DDT? Bring on the chemicals!
Frankly, my stance on Greenpeace is that if they don't want animal testing we test on Greenpeace. I'm all for letting them get malaria, Nature's way of culling the stupid ones from the herd.

As for DDT itself, the harm is as usual exageratted, misattributed, and less dengerous than advertised. Not to say that it's by any means a nice stuff, it kills things after all, but malaria is a bit more of a killer.
Another problem may be yellow fever... I wouldnt use DDT, there are other chemicals that could be used that wont destroy the entire area's ecosystem. But that is my inner biologist speaking
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Lord Stormbringer wrote:
frigidmagi wrote: I'll bet dollars to pecos we get Greenpeace bitching about that if it happens. Frankly if it's choice between a malarial outbreak and DDT? Bring on the chemicals!
Frankly, my stance on Greenpeace is that if they don't want animal testing we test on Greenpeace. I'm all for letting them get malaria, Nature's way of culling the stupid ones from the herd.

As for DDT itself, the harm is as usual exageratted, misattributed, and less dengerous than advertised. Not to say that it's by any means a nice stuff, it kills things after all, but malaria is a bit more of a killer.
Another problem may be yellow fever... I wouldnt use DDT, there are other chemicals that could be used that wont destroy the entire area's ecosystem. But that is my inner biologist speaking
If it works, use it. If not, break out the DDT. It's affects have been overrated to the point that they're accepted as fact.
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# Access to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

# The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

# The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

# The Red Cross shares the nationÂ’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

# The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

# The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

# As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.


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Pulled from the Red Crosses website. Yes, ladies and gents, it's that bad.
What do you expect? The city is in complete anarchy, look at the mobs that have been hitting hospitals and aid stations. Adding more to that is only going to make more targets with in the city and lead to more death and destruction.

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If you guys haven't seen these from somewhere else here they are. These are from Keesler AFB. It's in Biloxi, MS and is considered over 98% totaled. All housing in and around it is gone. It's one of the main tech school training points for the Air Force and is home to at any given time over 1000-3000 tech school students along with aircraft, teachers and other permanent party members.

As of this moment Eglin and Hurlburt Field are pulling as many as we can and housing them on our bases to the extent we're setting up emergency stations inside of gyms for them to sleep in. Just goes to show you, we may be the strongest military in the world, but mother nature will still kick our ass every time...

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This is the on base thrift store, as you can see, it's pretty much under water.

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This is the commissary on base next to the Base Exchange. That overhang is well over 12ft up.

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This use to be the base golf course. I remember walking by it more then a few times.

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Just one of the hundreds of flooded cars...

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This use to be a hanger by the flightline and a wash rack as well. It's one of the only places on the base that ISN'T flooded.

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This is the back of Dolan Hall, aka the student entrance. This is one of 4 or 5 such "Halls" where about 90% of the tech schools are taught in. 2-3 levels each, about 50-70 classrooms per building, training rooms, billions of $ worth of equipment. The boarded door is sitting at about 3-4ft high and you can see the water is above the bottom of the door. I went to school in that building. Now it's gone...

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Steam Plant on base near the tech school student quad...

At this point every tech school student who had any personal item in the dorms or their cars have lost them. Every car on the base is written off as totaled. The base is uninhabitable at this point. No housing for those tech school students, permanent party or civilian contractors. In a word, it's fucked. That's what I'll be heading into soon it seems. Standing water in some places over 8-9ft.


Oh, on another note, a friend of mine in the Navy is getting pulled for enforcement duty to NO. He's with a shoreline defense force. They're being issued out tac gear and weapons, along with amphibious gear and vehicles and told to kill. This unit is something that ammounts to the crossover point between Navy and Marines in area of operation.
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