Rockets 'violated Gaza ceasefire'

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I see you continue the ridiculous lie that either Hagee is the sole force behind the alliance or worthless for the purpose of discussion. You ask for the 'major factor', ignoring that I illustrated where the power comes from inside and outside. You must have some strange standard of evidence for a so-called 'major factor'.

I see you also pretend this is all 'opinion'. Well, I can't actually argue with points based outside of facts or logic, so declare victory if you want. I've made the points with evidence and rational argument and human nature. If you refuse to believe anything nefarious could ever involve this, that's your own damn perogative, but I won't listen to this bullshit about how it's all me offering opinions and if you don't accept my opinion I think people are fools.

You're not a fool. You're just dishonest as fuck, as far as this debate is concerned. That's your own problem.
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In the absence of evidence, Nitram, which you have steadfastly refused to provide, it is entirely opinion, and it's a valid enough one that I happen to disagree with. But it is not I who am being, and I quote: "Dishonest as fuck". You claim you have cited evidence. You have not. You claim I am lying. I am not. And then instead of offering the evidence that I have time and again begged you to show me, you insult me and tell me that I should have seen it when you never offered it in the first place.

Well that's your right, but mine is to consider you to be talking out your ass. By all means, continue to make wild claims about all the lovely evidence you supposedly already provided, and ignore every question everyone asks. I have asked you to provide your evidence, you have not, and everything else you want to impugn about me is 100% irrelevant.

I've got RP threads to post to. Go fantasize about your bullshit Israeli-American genocide conspiracy for all I care. You've got nothing worthwhile to say, or you'd have already said it.
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Yep, there's no evidence, no articles posted, no videos produced. All those links are simply figments of the imagination.

Whatever. Put the goalposts down and stop moving them anytime now.
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General Havoc wrote: Qui Bono? Who benefits from a break in the truce? Hamas unquestionably (well, some elements of Hamas), as they're entire reason for existence is the annihilation of Israel. The Palestinian people? Absolutely not. They elected and supported Hamas because they believed Hamas could give them a better life, not because they're jihad-obsessed maniacs.
Minor addition, the Palestinian level of life and economic growth was at its highest level ever on the eve of the second Intifada (October 2000). It's been nothing but downhill since, and getting worse as they throw away more growth in favour of the Hammas's ideology. (Which in many ways does seem more sensible, since it's slightly less corrupt than Fattah, and has more and better funding for grassroots/charity work thanks to Iran).

In addition, while Iran going crazy with the nukes is unlikely in the minds of most sane analysts, Iran as a major, agressive, expanding power in the region is not a desirable thing in any way.
It's sparking a nuclear arms race, as every other nation in the area wants nukes of their own to defend against Iran (Look at Syria and NK, and the UAE also started asking for nukes from the US).
More nukes in the ME, in a nation that already has one half of a vassal state (Lebanon, since Hezbollah is funded, armed and trained by Iran, and is almost as strong, if not superior to the regular army), has Gaza as a client group, and its major rival (Iraq, next door) is disintegrated with a large segment wanting to join with it.
A very unpleasant power balance, especially with the US losing influence in the region, in Iran's favour.
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