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Judith Ursitti, with daughter Amy, 8, and son Jack, 5, said that ''autism crosses a line from an educational issue to a medical one.'' Judith Ursitti, with daughter Amy, 8, and son Jack, 5, said that ''autism crosses a line from an educational issue to a medical one.'' (Mark Wilson/Globe Staff)
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DOVER - Because of his severe autism, the cost of educating 5-year-old Jack Ursitti runs $100,000 a year. But unlike expenses with most medical conditions, the bills for treating him will be borne by Dover schools and the rural town's taxpayers - not his family's medical insurance.

Now, the nation's largest autism advocacy group, Autism Speaks, is planning a legislative push in 20 states, including Massachusetts, to require private insurance companies to pay a portion of the intensive, expensive educational treatments that many medical professionals say are a child's best chance to overcome, or just learn to cope with, profound and lifelong developmental and learning disabilities.

Similar laws have passed in the past several months in Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, and Pennsylvania requiring private insurers to pay toward a variety of therapies, including applied behavior analysis. That system, known as ABA, involves a weekly regimen of more than 30 hours of intense, often one-on-one, positive reinforcement techniques for teaching children how to speak, play, learn, and function in the world.

But private insurers are balking at the proposed requirement, especially coverage of the specialty ABA programs, which they say are relatively new and unproven, and not effective for all children. ABA teachers are not licensed in many states, and insurers contend that the therapy system is still too new to be regulated sufficiently.

Requiring insurers to pay for educating autistic children would "drive up costs for everyone," said Dr. Marylou Buyse, president of the Massachusetts Association of Health Plans, an industry group representing 12 health plans operating in the Commonwealth.

Health insurers should not be dragged into the educational arena, particularly to pay for ABA classes, she added. "In a sense, it's asking for a blank check for therapies that we'd want more evidence to prove are really effective," Buyse said.

But parents of autistic children are determined to get their youngsters into programs that offer even a glimmer of hope. They also want to shift society's perceptions of autism.

"If my son couldn't hear and needed a cochlear implant, we wouldn't be asking the school system to take responsibility," said Jack's mother, Judith, coordinator of the New England lobbying effort for Autism Speaks. "As a society, we have to acknowledge that autism crosses a line from an educational issue to a medical one. Jack was diagnosed by a neurologist, not a schoolteacher."

Richard DeRoo of Reading, a software engineer whose 11-year-old son, Evan, has autism, said parents are desperate for more financial help.

Since his diagnosis at age 3, Evan has needed extensive behavior, speech, physical, and occupational therapy, his father said. The family paid for some of that care out-of pocket at a cost of $25 to $50 per hour.

Evan is now at the Melmark School in Andover, a program that is paid for by the Reading schools systems.

"As a parent you wonder what more he's capable of, and I think he's capable of even doing so much more," his father said. "But people like us do not have the means to pay for this."

In 2007, the state reported that the number of schoolchildren diagnosed with autism had nearly doubled in five years, to more than 7,500. An estimated 1 in 150 children fall somewhere on the autism spectrum.

Educators have traditionally treated autism like other serious disabilities such as Down syndrome and cerebral palsy, which entitle a child to state-funded, Early Intervention weekly therapy sessions until age 3. Then the local school system takes over, paying for a spot - and sometimes an aide - in a public classroom, or, if the child's needs are more profound, a slot in a private school until adulthood.

Autism Speaks says there isn't enough money in school budgets to provide the therapy needed by the swelling numbers of autistic children, and it will be years before enough ABA-trained therapists can be hired into most public school classrooms.

"Autism is a complex disorder and it's taken folks a while to learn what we need to do," said Elizabeth Emken, the group's vice president of government relations. "But now we are talking about medical treatments prescribed by medical doctors, and covering them like any other medical treatments."

In Massachusetts, school systems already spend more than $1.6 billion annually on all special education programs. Some school districts currently spend more than 20 percent of their budgets exclusively on special ed students with a variety of needs, said Paul Andrews, director of government services for the Massachusetts Association of School Superintendents.

"Special-needs costs have escalated so high that it has reduced the amount of funding we can spend on regular education," said Andrews, a former school superintendent in Woburn.

The attempt to persuade state lawmakers to require autism coverage in Massachusetts is just getting off the ground, and Autism Speaks will soon be seeking a legislative sponsor and the support of local autism advocacy groups, Emken said.

The group will also focus political efforts in New York, New Jersey, Virginia, and Ohio over the next six months, and renew efforts in Oklahoma, where the mandate passed in the state Senate, but was killed in the House of Representatives this year.

Efforts to pass autism coverage requirements have not succeeded over the years on Beacon Hill, where bills failed to gain much momentum or widespread public support.

This latest attempt may turn out to be different, as the needs of autistic children and the financial stress on school systems have become too intense to ignore, said Vincent Strully, founder and CEO of the Southborough-based New England Center for Children, a program treating 400 autistic children at campuses in the Boston area and overseas in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates.

"We have an enormous problem and no financial support to treat it. And we are in a race with the clock. We know that with two to three years of effective interventions in very young children, between 10 and 40 percent of them may even lose their diagnoses," Strully said.

The Massachusetts Association of Health Plans has not calculated what such a requirement could cost ratepayers, but insurers in other states put the price tag in the tens of millions, depending on the programs. Autism Speaks disputes those figures and says its proposal will increase health insurance premiums an average of 1 percent nationwide.

The health plan group said the state's new mental health parity law - which requires insurers to cover mental health treatment for people with substance abuse, eating disorders, and autism - offers families relief.

Longtime special education advocates raise another worry: If a private insurer is available to pay the tab for certain therapies, strapped suburban school systems may stop investing in their own programs.
In a Great Hall thread, I brought up my repudiation of Autism Speaks, the Auton case, and the horrorshow that is ABA/IBI therapy. For those that wish to, review the thread here.

Short version: ABA/IBI takes the simple ways of brainwashing and torture and uses them to force an autistic to act normal. Striking the child, screaming in their face, electrical shocks, and the like are the heavy risk factors identified(Here's a brain-destroyer: Restraint, despite having documented cases of killing the vic-.. Patient, is still 'up in the air' on whether it's a heavy risk.).

In Canada, this was put forth and made to the Supreme Court, which said FUCK NO to the idea that the Canadian insurance policy must include ABA/IBI, because it's fundamentally based on the idea that someone is not a person until they are not Autistic, which violates the Charter Of Rights.

I doubt the insurance companies will be so sensible. 100k, to have your child beaten into something like what you wanted, so it's not a damn inconvenience to have a child...
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I'm with Canada on this. Insurance shouldn't pay for 'treatment' that's barely hidden torture.
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I dunno Nitram, I've been doing some more research into ABA since our discussion in the Autism Speaks. It does not sound to me, based on the research I have done, like the Concentration-camp torture sessions that you keep describing, nor can I find fault with their assertion that Autism is a medical, not educational condition. I happen to believe that the insurance companies should not be required to cover this, but for entirely different reasons (based on my philosophy of government and insurance).

I'm not an expert here by any means, but I'm just not seeing evidence of ABA involving "beating" children into the shape that their unfeeling parents demand. I know parents of autistic children who are in various sorts of medical therapy to alleviate the condition. I would not classify a single one of them as anything but parents desperately trying to get the best attention for their child.

Yes, I remember all the examples from before, and they are horrific, I grant, but I just am having a hard time convincing myself that this entire treatment system has been established for the sole purpose of doing harm. Autism, in its most extreme forms, is unquestionably both a disability and a medical condition. I'd want to know more about this ABA thing before I condemn it as torture.

EDIT: Okay, perhaps Nitram isn't as far off here as I thought. I've done a bit more reading, and I'm starting to come across disquieting elements. From a discussion of concepts in ABA:
"Extinction procedures [procedures designed to eliminate positive re-enforcement of unwanted behaviors] are often preferred over punishment procures [addition or removal of a stimulus to decrease future frequency of a behavior] that are frequently deemed unethical and in many states prohibited."
I do not have an objection to the concept of re-enforcing select behaviors and punishing others. Every child, Autistic or not, undergoes that procedure as part of learning how to function in society. When your mother spanks you for drawing on the walls, that is a punishment procedure, and anyone who claims that constitutes child abuse needs their head examined, in my opinion. What worries me is the mention of the procedures that are deemed unethical and prohibited in many states. States, being bureaucracies, do not intervene in child-rearing procedures except in the most compelling and flagrant cases. No mention is made in the articles I've read as to what they are specifically talking about, but the throw-away mention of "ethical prohibitions" is a big red flag.

I'll see what else I can find.
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General Havoc wrote:I dunno Nitram, I've been doing some more research into ABA since our discussion in the Autism Speaks. It does not sound to me, based on the research I have done, like the Concentration-camp torture sessions that you keep describing, nor can I find fault with their assertion that Autism is a medical, not educational condition.
I reply simply with the creator's own words and an article on his work.

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Excerpt which defines the man's mentality:
The most drastic innovation in Lovaas' technique is punishment — instantly, immutably dished out to break down the habits of madness. His rarely used last resort is the shock room. At one point Pamela had been making progress, learning to read a little, speak a few words sensibly. But then she came to a blank wall, drifting off during lessons into her wild expressions and gesticulations. Scoldings and stern shakings did nothing. Like many autistic children, Pamela simply did not have enough anxiety to be frightened.

To give her something to be anxious about, she was taken to the shock room, where the floor is laced with metallic strips. Two electrodes were put on her bare back, and her shoes removed.
1960 was that article. How about 2004? Los Angles Magazine. Link
FOR IVAR LOVAAS, UCLA 'S CONTROVERSIAL AUTISM PIONEER, A LIFE'S WORK IS NOW FACING A CRUCIAL TEST BY ROBERT ITO LOS ANGELES - APRIL 04 (Seccion de medicina-- Revista LOS ANGELES)

Psychology professor Ivar Lovaas stands at the front of the auditorium UCLAs Franz Hall and signals his assistant to start the film. There is no sound. The footage is blurry, with the overexposed, bleached-out look of a home movie. A grainy image of a plump girl with dirty, brown curls, seated at a low table, fills the screen. The students careen forward in their seat. Suddenly, the girl slams her forehead against the edge of the table. The scene shifts to a little, blonde boy who is punching his face with both fists. His cheeks are two bright red ovals. In the next scene the boy's hands are covered with padding, but he continues to pummel himself, the gloves movining in steady arcs toward his face. There is no narration, and the quick cuts give the footage a surreal, dreamlike quality. How long has he been beating himself? Minutes? Hours? Finally, a figure in a white lab coat steps into the frame and holds the young child against his body. It is a hug, but it is something more. It is a restraint. The professor freezes the image, the boy's face caught midhowI. "What is this?" he asks the class, breaking into a broad smile. What is this simple gesture, this hug? Reinforcement, they answer in unison.

These students, most of them psych majors, know reinforcement. It is one of the fundamental principIes of behavioral theory; the idea that one's actions can be explained in terms of positive responses to externaI stimuli. We do things, behaviorists believe, because we get rewards for doing them. These rewards are called reinforcers. In the early 1930s, B.F. Skinner, the father of behaviorism, discovered that rats could be taught to push levers if they were rewarded with a pellet of food. For the hungry rat, food was the reinforcer. For the boy in the film, the hug was the reinforcer, but a harmful one. The boy was being rewarded, however inadvertently; for punching himself in the face. Lovaas's class, "Psychology & Behavior Modification," has long been one of the most popular in the department. Students love the class and love Lovaas, because he tells amusing stories about things like the mating habits of the stickIeback or about bis childhood in Norway. They think he is funny .

Few seem to know that the kids in this old, grainy film are his kids, in a sense, or were. Beth and John were patients of his in the early 1960s, when the young researcher was doing work with autistic children at UCLAs Neuropsychiatric Institute. Even fewer know that these early experiments led to Lovaas's announcement in 1987 of a groundbreaking treatment for autism. Under his care, children who had seemed unreachable began to speak and read and interact with others. IQ scores shotup. The resuIts stunned the psychiatric community. For the first time in history a clinician had produced evidence that not only was autism treatable but in some cases its symptoms could be virtually eliminated. Today the Lovaas method-consisting "'of repetitive drills and hours of one-on-one training-is followed in scores of clinics and schools around the world. Variations of his programs have made his brand of behavior modification the preferred method of autism treatment in the state. Lovaas himself has received awards from institutions including the California Senate and the American Psychological Association.

Ron Huff, senior psychologist at California's Department of Developmental Services, considers Lovaas the father of autism treatment. "If it weren't for rus efforts beginning 40 years ago," says Huff "we wouldn't be anywhere today". With incidence rates skyrocketing in California - they have doubled year (sic) the last four years, making autism the fastest growing disability served by the department - Lovaas's work has never been more important. Parents across the country have filed lawsuits against their school districts to get their children into Lovaas programs, where waiting lists can be months long. This spring, two clinics assigned to reproduce the results of his 1987 study; one in Modesto, California, the other in Madison, Wisconsin, will release their findings. It is a crucial moment for Lovaas. Without scientific replication, an experiment's findings are always suspect, its very validity up for debate. Without replication, Lovaas's critics will continue to brand his experiment a fluke, an anomaly or worse. Most of the time Lovaas is full of confidence. "If I had gotten Hitler here at UCLA at the age of four or five," he says, "I couId have raised him to be a nice person. A humanitarian!"

Lovaas tells his assistant to start the film again. .John, the boy who hits himself; continues to struggle agains this doctor's embrace. "He loved to be put in restraints," Lovaas says with a big grin, which raises another round of questions from his class. What did he like about it? Were the restraints just another bad reinforcer? Lovaas seems to delight in the questions, his raucous laughter echoing through the large haIl. John liked the restraints, Lovaas explains, because he reaIly didn't like to hit himself. Who would? "He just wanted some attention," says Lovaas. "Like aIl of us."

After 40 YEARS spent studying and treating autistic children, 40 years of 12-hour days spent pleading and prodding and testing, Lovaas admits that he is chasing a phantom. He is the first to tell you that nobody really even knows what autism is. Autism doesn't exist, he says. It is a theory; he tells rus students, a hypothesis. A guess. The history of autism research has included many guesses, several of which have proved wrong. Victor of Aveyron, a young French boy who is now considered to be the first documented case of autism, was labeled a "feral child" when he was first examined in 1799. At that time, autistic children were often diagnosed as schizophrenic or mentally retarded. Many were institutionalized for life. It wasn't until 1943 that Johns Hopkins psychiatrist Leo Kanner conducted the first detailed study of the disorder. Kanner described 11 children who were fascinated with manipulating objects and repetitive play but showed little interest in interacting with other people. He called the children "autistic," using a term coined by Swiss psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler to describe schizophrenic patients who shut themselves off from human contact. In the 1950s and 1960s, Freudian psychologists blamed the disorder on cold, unloving "refrigerator mothers."

Child psychologist Bruno Bettelheim recommended that autistic children be separated from their parents. The theory has since been discredited, but it created misery for entire farnilies. Autism has been frustratingly difficult to classify. Although there are several common traits, oversensitivity to certain stimuli, impairments in social interaction, no two autistic children share the exact same characteris- tics. Today psychologists use the blanket term "autistic spectrum disorder" to cover everything from full-blown autism to milder, "non-autistic pervasive developmental disorders" like Asperger's syndrome. Most believe that there is a genetic component, while some have blamed the recent rise in autism on factors including vaccines, consumer products, and diet.

What causes autism? Lovaas never gave it much thought. When he began his work, treating the irnmediate problem seemed to be the most pressing goal. Four decades after Lovaas first carne to UCLA, scientists are still examining how and why autism manifests itseIf. Lovaas has a few theories but is happy to Ieave that research to others. Every one of us, after all, has autistic tendencies. "Just Iook around here at UCLA! The mathematicians? They depend on their wives to dress them properly" he says. "We all rock. We all seIf-stimulate. It's just a matter of degree."

LOVAAS WAS BORN in 1927 in Lier, Norway, a small agricultural village outside of Oslo. His father was a journalist at the local newspaper, his mother the daughter of a poor tenant farmer. When the Nazis invaded Norway in 1940, the farnily was torced to work as farm laborers. Lovaas would cut cabbages and turnips for ten hours a day until his arms and legs were numb with cold. After the war ended, Lovaas received a violin scholarship to Luther College, a liberal arts school in Decorah, Iowa. In 1951, he began working on his doctorate in psychology at the University of Washington.

As part of his predoctoral studies, Lovaas worked as a psychiatric aide at the Pinel Institute, a private mental hospital for the children and grandchildren of Seattle's elite. Most of the patients suffered from schizophrenia. Lovaas would take them for walks through the tree lined grounds or cornfort them when they became agitated. One summer there were two suicides at Pinel, an unusually high number for a small, 20-bed facility. Both patients killed themselves by jumping headfirst from the second floor onto the pavement below "I knew them, and I knew they weren't that crazy;" says Lovaas. The clinic's doctors struggled for answers. "The doctors were all medically oriented, so they called it a 'suicide epidernic,' like it was a contagious disease," says Lovaas. The experience began to push Lovaas away from Freud and toward Skinner and the other behaviorists. The allure of behavior therapy was understandable for a man who had lived through the horrors of the Nazi occupation and seen many of its evils firsthand. The behaviorists seemed to hold the answer to the question of human evil. People were not inherently bad but merely conditioned to act badly by their environments. Using basic clinical procedures, doctors found that the negative results of this conditioning , could be controlled.

In 1961 Lovaas accepted a position as an assistant professor at UCLA. It was the era of Kennedy and Johnson, when the federal government was funneling huge amounts of money into programs designed to combat a host of social ills. Lovaas got an entire ward at UCLAs Neuropsychiatric Institute. At that time, most people had never even heard the word autism. Lovaas studied several autistic children at UCLA and at the nearby Camarillo State Hospital. These children would not speak or play or smile. Instead, they rocked back and forth for hours. They stared at lights or spun in circles. Like most other psychologists of the time, Lovaas believed the "refrigerator mother" theory. If the root cause of autism was a lack of love, psychologists reasoned, then the cure must be an infusion of love. It was a simple solution, perhaps the simplest: They would love these children, even when they screamed and scratched and bit. Six-year-old Marty would spin a silver top over and over, entranced by the shifts in light and color. Lovaas would tell him, in a quiet, soothing tone: It's fun to spin, isn't it? He would love these kids, even if their mothers did not. But love didn't help. The kids continued to rack and spin and stare at lights. Others would scratch and bite Lovaas, or scratch and bite themselves. If anything, all the hugs and words of encouragement seemed only to make the children worse.

Lovaas continued to doubt the Freudian theorists, his professors and department heads, who created theories but-as he would later complain - could show no data to support them. Lovaas believed that Skinner's system of rewards and punishments -or reinforcers and aversives - rnight have applications for autistic kids. Billy was one of his first patients at UCLA. "Touch nose," Lovaas would tell him. If Billy touched bis nose, Lovaas would give him an M&M. Lovaas would repeat the command. If Billy touched his nose again, he would get another M&M. If BilIy touched his ear, or simply ignored the command, Lovaas would bark out a loud, angry "No!" Then Lovaas would ask Billy again, to touch his nose. Billy would touch his nose. Touch nose. Touch mouth. Touch ear. In many ways, it looked like a man training a dog.

The most controversial aspect of Lovaas's experiments was his use of aversives. There were the shouts, of course, but there was also corporal punishment for some of the most difficult patients. Staffers would sometimes slap a child; in extreme cases, shock treatment was administered. In 1965, Life magazine sent reporters and a photographer to UCLA. The result was a nine-page photo-essay titled "Screams, Slaps and Love" that described Lovaas's work as "a surprising, shocking treatment {that} helps far-gone mental cripples." Patients "had tumed their homes into hells"; the institute was described as an "appalling gallery of madness." If the prose was purple, many of the photos were heartbreaking: a staffer slapping a boy in the face for not paying attention to his lesson; Pamela, a nine-year-old girl, jerking in pain when a jolt of current from an electrified floor hits her bare feet.

Bernard Rimland, director of the Autism Research Institute in San Diego, remembers the article. Rimland was founding the Autism Society of America at the time, traveling the country giving talks about the benefits of behavioral therapy' "People in the audience would just sit there waiting for a break," he says, "just so they could say 'Isn't that the stuff they do at UCLA, where they beat up the children?'"

Lovaas's funding grant from the National Institute of Mental Health stipulated that the treatment for each child would last only one year. Following treatment, some of the children went back to their homes, where Lovaas could help with their continued care, but many stayed at Camarillo, where there were no educational programs. IQ levels plummeted; many children lost their ability to speak and returned to self-destructive behaviors. Lovaas went to the hospital's director to ask permission to continue treating the children. The director refused. Lovaas is still bitter about the snub. "He was so sure he was right!" he says. "Never think you're right. Never. Because chances are, you aren't."

The '60s and '70s were busy times for Lovaas, who was receiving numerous scientific grants. He did research on childhood schizophrenia and assisted in a controversial study on "childhood gender problems"- dubbed "the sissy boy syndrome" by co-researcher Richard Green -that sparked protests on theUCLA campus and an article in The National Enquirer. (Lovaas has since distanced himself from that work and insists he only took part in the research to help a colleague.) In 1970, Lovaas started the Young Autism Project, which stressed early intervention - the kids in the study were between the ages of two and four- and rigorous, eight-hour-a-day training sessions.

Over time, Lovaas eliminated the program's use of aversives because of public pressure and the discovery of other, more effective training methods. In 1987, after 17 years of testing and research, Lovaas published the astounding results ofhis study: 47 percent of the patients achieved "normal functioning" and were able to attend mainstream schools. Children who participated in the program for two years made average IQ gains of 30 points. Perhaps most important, many of the children maintained their gains into adolescence. Psychologists hailed the study "It was our first breakthrough where kids could be brought back to normal function," says Bryna Siegel, director of UCLAs Autism Clinic and author of two books on autism.

Others attacked the findings. Psychologists, it seemed, had always attacked Lovaas's findings: In 1967, Bruno Bettelheim wrote that behavioral therapy "reduced autistic children to the level of Pavlovian dogs." Shock treatment, he continued, "strip[s} the patients of whatever humanity they still have." In 1987, critics blasted just about every aspect of Lovaas's methodology and research, from the high treatment costs and the selection of patients to the "close relationships" that developed between therapists and parents.

According to several of his most vehement foes, Lovaas had deliberately chosen test subjects who were apt to respond favorably to his brand of behavior modification. Others criticized Lovaas's implication that the students had been completely "cured" of the disorder. One of the most persistent criticisms was that Lovaas's 40-hour-a-week treatments and repetitive trials didn't allow children to learn in a natural setting. "You'll see our kids doing something one time in the context of where it would occur rather than ten times in a row;" says Gary Mesibov; director of Division TEACCH, a rival therapyat the University of North Carolina. "'Touch red'? I don't think that touching red is a meaningful activity" Of course, many of the criticisms will evaporate if a replication of Lovaas's results is achieved.

There are currently 150 children in treatment at replication sites around the world, from England to Spain to Japan to the United States, each site working on multi year projects trying to match the results of Lovaas's 1987 study "This is not easy research, so I don't mean to trivialize it or minimize it," says Mesibov. "But I think with most people, with a finding that important to them and to others in the field, you would expect a replication by now"

THE LOVAAS INSTITUTE for Early Intervention in West L.A looks much like any day care center. A plastic tub fuIl of children's videos - Disney Sing Along Songs, The Best of Ernie and Bert - sits in the lobby. In a large treatment room, where four-year-old Louis, his parents, and ten therapists and project directors are holding a weekly review session, picture books and toys litter the floor. The adults sit in a circle, all watching as Louis goes through his routine. Everytime he performs a task - sit, touch red, touch monkey; push train- the room explodes with praise. "Good sitting!" they all squeal. "Wow!" After performing five tasks in a row, he is rewarded with a song from an electronic teddy bear, a favorite toy: Louis dances with glee as the bear sings.

Unlike in the earlier sessions recorded in the Life article, there are no screams, no slaps, only love. For Louis, that may be enough as long as it is love accompanied by years of rigorous, often mind-numbingly tedious tasks. Louis turns around to find his parents' faces amid the crowd of directors and therapists and flashes them a quick smile. Then the training begins again. Nobody in the room - not the parents, not the training directors or the therapists- expects a breakthrough moment, an instant of clarity when something deep within the brain clicks into action. That never happens, Lovaas says. "People tell you that they had a kid in treatment and they suddenly changed," he says. "They're complete liars!" he yells, then erupts in laughter. So they wait for the small miracles. Louis is getting better at his vowel sounds. He is getting better at stacking blocks. There may never be big breakthroughs, but there are moments when a child will do something he hasn't done before, something the therapists or the parents never taught him. Like putting a doll to bed. "That's pretty complicated stuff; put the doll in the bed, putting a cover over," says Lovaas. "He's seen something, and he's imitating it. Now; putting a doll to bed isn't going to help him go to preschool. But something is going on."
Those kids love their restraints.

Now, I'd like to know where you're getting your sources. I'll read 'em. That being said, I'm slightly more in favor of examining the fact that the therapy is based exclusively on excessive aversives(A constant medical ethics problem), the 47% success rate is, how to say, a load of bull as shown by later attempts to repeat the experiment, and of course, those who went through it.
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Interesting...

There's clearly a lot more going on in these fields than I'm qualified to speak to. (You asked for sources Nitram, but I warn you, articles like these are technical in the extreme, and I can't make heads or tails of more than half of them). This doctor from the article above looks... well... I don't know what to call him. Certainly I'm not about to defend the practice of electroshocking nine year old children.

What I would like to ask you though, is what types of treatment you (as someone who knows more about this than I) do endorse? If this ABA stuff is routed in physical abuse, then what alternate methods are the ones you prefer to see instituted?
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Treatments akin to what I received through my life.

Emphasis on finding means of non-stressful communication(Even extreme LFAs who can't speak and get freaked out at eye contact demonstrate great communication skills if they find the right outlet; typing is a major lucky stroke for them.).

Small objects to 'stimm' with in methods that do not produce heavy disruption to others.

Setting up of easily repeatable routines in work and school(An LD specialized school I went to for three years had two hours, the same time, every night, for homework. This was a huge help because it was a regulated pattern. At my job with epidemilogical research, I would put in an hour or so of calls outgoing, then take five minutes to retreat into the bathroom, because calling strangers is stressful. But the pattern helped.).

A space you can go to just get the hell away from it all for ten or twenty minutes as needed.

Am I normal? No. However, it has enabled me to function in modern society at a very high level, with maximum 'burnout' of a two day period.
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SirNitram wrote:Am I normal? No.
I doubt that anyone on this board is at risk of being called normal...

The above treatment makes sense, certainly. It's more in line with what I assumed (as a layman) are the standard means of dealing with Autism. I had relegating electroshock therapy to the ice ages (of the 1960s) in my mind. It's disquieting to learn that this is inaccurate.
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General Havoc wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Am I normal? No.
I doubt that anyone on this board is at risk of being called normal...

The above treatment makes sense, certainly. It's more in line with what I assumed (as a layman) are the standard means of dealing with Autism. I had relegating electroshock therapy to the ice ages (of the 1960s) in my mind. It's disquieting to learn that this is inaccurate.
I was in your position about six months to a year ago. I supported Autism Speaks and Cure Autism Now because I assumed they used the same, logical and methodical methods as I had been treated with, and they were backing the geneticists who have found the unusual way genes are either not copied or copied too many times in an ASD person's DNA.

While I knew there had been the horrors of Lovaas and his ABA cronies(I do not call them anything else; they sell torture for 100k a year and insist it's a cure), I assumed they were widely discredited. When I went to investigate Amanda Baggs' personal writings, a Low Functioning Autistic whose been on CNN to raise awareness of the adult community of us, I quickly began finding writings of those who'd been through this. So I go WTF, I start digging.

Those two articles, admittably, are what put me in my present place. This is what these groups support. Studying Auton, discovering the recovery rate of the actual allowed method adopted from Lovaas(His original 1987 test was so inhuman it's banned outright, though he claimed 47% success. It's not been duplicated to that success since.) was closer to 5% for this extreme measure, and so forth turned it to gut-wrenching horror.

So now you know the full story.
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ABA is an extreme measure for treatment at best. Some children need the rigid routine of a structured ABA therapy.
One where they remove all the fun and make a schedule for learning.
Eg: 8am - breafast
8:15 am brush teeth
8:30 bath/shower
9am speach therapy on vowels.
10 am speach therapy on phonics
11 am movement and co ordination.

ect ect ect.

Each of these tasks is done either in a desk or with letter by letter instructions. When they do something right, they get a sticker or something of that nature. It is the routine that " removes unwanted behaviors and re-enforces good behaviors".
I dont agree with it. Yes, it has come a long way from the 1960's. There are no shockings or beatings. Just " Sit boy sit, dont have fun" practices.

A child should be allowed to move and play and learn through movement and play.

I would recommened P.L.A.Y project for those in the Michigan/ Northern Indiana/ Chicago areas because it uses these principals. It allows the child to be themselves, while you teach through play how to interact with others, how to over come fears of change. It teaches desensitisation methods that I actually agree with because I know my son is able to cope ( if given time to adjust).

http://www.playproject.org/ to look and see what I mean. It helps them be able to problem solve and connect the dots. Therapies I did as a child myself.
Also the one guy I have come to respect in this feild is : Link
His books walk you through how even though they cant say things, they are speaking to you by ways of opening and closing circles ( He looks at you to see if you are looking at him, he then motions for you to play cars with him, you play cars and he gives you a hug. Circle closed. He then opens another to continue to play cars with you). A baby will open a circle by smiling at a parent, you close it by smiling back.
He doesnt want to change a behavior, he wants them to learn by modelling during play. Like any other child. Just with an ASD child, you have to take more time and model these things more to make sure they understand and are able to do it themselves.
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There are no shockings or beatings.
Depressingly, not universally true. It's rarer, and much better hidden, but yes, the most abusive forms live on.. As the 2004 article reveals.
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SirNitram wrote:
There are no shockings or beatings.
Depressingly, not universally true. It's rarer, and much better hidden, but yes, the most abusive forms live on.. As the 2004 article reveals.
Well, in those cases the therapist should be taken out and beaten.
I know and have been thinking of going into this feild ( I need 2 years of schooling more to get). An Occupational Therapist should NEVER hit a child or inforce any kind of negative behavior by modelling or inciting fear!
That is not what we are here for! I an an OT to children with dyslexia. I have never used hitting and find that positive rewards and playfulness get better results from them.
I am most likely going back to school to become an OT for children with an ASD.
If I ever find out who is resorting to abuse to get desired results at this time, especially with the verious proven methods to help children with an ASD, I will have thier practice/jobs ( depending on the person and thier statis).
There is NO excuse for strapping a child into a chair and using negative enforcement and fear to make a child " behave" as desired! EVER.

Just like doctors, I am sure there are those that abuse thier positions and do things they are not supposed to, but an ABA Therapist /OT should NEVER do that. EVER EVER EVER!
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The reason for the ban is basically because a regional medical board said 'Um, are you screwballs all completely ignoring the 'First, Do No Harm' in your oaths?', as I hear it. Could be wrong, given that those told it would have a 47% success rate got back broken husks terrified of any interaction might be as lawsuit-happy as your average McDonald's coffee drinker.
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It was changed for verious reasons, multiple times now. Each time someone breaks a rule, more specifics and subrules are made. The contracts and such that are signed upon completion are constantly being challenged.
Sometimes nutjobs get into the feild and make the jobs of those of us that are trying to do good, harder and more restrictive.
There was a group of parents a few years back that tried to get " deep pressure massages" banned because " It could hurt the child" ( which is totally false btw).
So, now we have to get things signed and permissions of all kinds, plus jump through all the hanging hoops that are put in front of us.
*sigh* I hate nutjobs that makes those of us that ARE for real look stupid and psychotic.
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