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#1 PIPA postponed, SOPA withdrawn!

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Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid on Friday postponed a showdown vote in his chamber on the PIPA online anti-piracy bill that pits Hollywood against Silicon Valley.

In a brief statement, Reid said there was no reason why concerns about the legislation cannot be resolved. He offered no new date for the vote, which had been scheduled for Tuesday.

Reid's action comes a day after a senior Democratic aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the measure lacked the votes to clear a procedural hurdle and it was unclear if it could muster needed support.

Related: Congressman withdraws SOPA anti-piracy bill

The measure — known as the Protect Intellectual Property Act, or PIPA for short — is aimed at curbing access to overseas websites that traffic in pirated content and counterfeit products, such as movies and music.

Support for the Senate bill, and a similar one in the House known as SOPA, or Stop Online Piracy Act, has eroded in recent days because of fears that legitimate websites could end up in legal jeopardy.

Reid, in his statement, said, "In light of recent events, I have decided to postpone Tuesday's vote" on whether to begin consideration of the measure.

Despite his decision to postpone action, Reid said, "There is no reason that the legitimate issues raised by many about this bill cannot be resolved.

"Counterfeiting and piracy cost the American economy billions of dollars and thousands of jobs each year, with the movie industry alone supporting over 2.2 million jobs," Reid said. "We must take action to stop these illegal practices."

Reid expressed hope that Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, who has sought to help shepherd the bill through Congress, could help resolve differences in the legislation.
"I am optimistic that we can reach a compromise in the coming weeks," Reid said.

On Thursday, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell urged Reid to postpone action on the bill.
Some senators who had co-sponsored the legislation dropped their support on Wednesday as protests blanketed the Internet, turning Wikipedia and other popular websites dark. Google, Facebook, Twitter and others protested the proposed legislation but did not shut down.

The entertainment industry wants legislation to protect its movies and music from counterfeiters but technology companies are concerned the laws would undermine Internet freedoms, be difficult to enforce and encourage frivolous lawsuits.
Meanwhile in the House!

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U.S. lawmakers stopped anti-piracy legislation in its tracks on Friday, delivering a stunning win for Internet companies that staged an unprecedented online protest this week to kill the previously fast-moving bills.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said he would postpone a critical vote that had been scheduled for Jan. 24 "in light of recent events."

Lamar Smith, the Republican chairman of the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, followed suit, saying his panel would delay action on similar legislation until there is wider agreement on the issue.

"I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation to address the problem of online piracy. It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products," Smith said in a statement.

The bills, known as PIPA in the Senate and SOPA in the House, are aimed at curbing access to overseas websites that traffic in pirated content and counterfeit products, such as movies and music.

The legislation has been a priority for entertainment companies, publishers, pharmaceutical companies and other industry groups who say it is critical to curbing online piracy, which they believe costs them billions of dollars a year.

But technology companies are concerned the laws would undermine Internet freedoms, be difficult to enforce and encourage frivolous lawsuits.

Public sentiment on the bills shifted in recent weeks after Internet players ramped up their lobbying.

White House officials weighed in on Saturday, saying in a blog post that they had concerns about legislation that could make businesses on the Internet vulnerable to litigation and harm legal activity and free speech.

Then on Wednesday, protests blanketed the Internet, turning Wikipedia and other popular websites dark for 24 hours. Google , Facebook, Twitter and others protested the proposed legislation but did not shut down.

The protest had quick results: several sponsors of the legislation, including senators Roy Blunt, Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, John Boozman and Marco Rubio, have withdrawn their support.
In a brief statement on Friday, Reid said there was no reason why concerns about the legislation cannot be resolved. He offered no new date for the vote.

Reid's action comes a day after a senior Democratic aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the measure lacked the 60 votes needed to clear a procedural hurdle in the 100-member Senate.

Swift reaction
The indefinite postponement of the bills drew quick praise from the Internet community, and ire from Hollywood.

"We appreciate that lawmakers have listened to our community's concerns, and we stand ready to work with them on solutions to piracy and copyright infringement that will not chill free expression or threaten the economic growth and innovation the Internet provides," a Facebook spokesman said.

Chris Dodd, chief executive of the Motion Picture Association of America and a former Democratic senator, said the stalling of legislation is a boost for criminals.

"As a consequence of failing to act, there will continue to be a safe haven for foreign thieves," Dodd said.

Way forward?
Lawmakers, technology companies and the entertainment industry pledged to find a way to combat online piracy and copyright infringement.

Reddit.com, a vocal leader in the protests and among the sites to go dark on Wednesday, said it was pleased the protests were able to slow things down, but said piracy needs to be addressed.

"We really need people at the table who have the technical expertise about these issues who can ensure that whatever bills are drafted have airtight, technically sound language, definitions and frameworks," the company's general manager Erik Martin told Reuters.

Reid expressed hope on Friday that Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, who has been shepherding the bill through Congress, could help resolve differences in the legislation.
"I am optimistic that we can reach a compromise in the coming weeks," Reid said.

Leahy slammed the Senate derailment of the anti-piracy legislation as a "knee-jerk reaction to a monumental problem" but said he is committed to getting a bill signed into law this year.
There are already alternatives in the works.

Senator Ron Wyden introduced a bill last month that he said "meets the same publicly stated goals as SOPA or Protect IP without causing massive damage to the Internet."

Representative Darrel Issa on Wednesday introduced a companion bill in the House.

Issa said SOPA and PIPA lacked a fundamental understanding of how Internet technologies work. The technology sector has shown more optimism about prospects for Issa and Wyden's alternative bill, called the OPEN Act.

"It's a great starting point for discussion, and we're definitely very open to that," said Tiffiniy Cheng, co-founder of Fight for the Future, a nonprofit that helped organize the Internet protests against SOPA and PIPA.
Okay, so... We won! That said we should certainly check out this OPEN act to make sure no one is trying anything screwy.
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#2 Re: PIPA postponed, SOPA withdrawn!

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#3 Re: PIPA postponed, SOPA withdrawn!

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In the meantime, Megaupload gets knocked out using existing legislation. Funny how that works and how they didn't need a big new package of laws to pull it off.

Edit- For clarity on what I'm saying, Megaupload had it coming. They were knowingly violating Safe Harbor and blatantly profiting off of copyright violations.
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Josh wrote:In the meantime, Megaupload gets knocked out using existing legislation. Funny how that works and how they didn't need a big new package of laws to pull it off.

Edit- For clarity on what I'm saying, Megaupload had it coming. They were knowingly violating Safe Harbor and blatantly profiting off of copyright violations.
And for their trouble, Anonymous took out about two dozen websites and are still planning on more actions, 5 more file sharing services have popped up today and dozens more are still in operation. These type of things can't be stopped, only slowed or temporarily inconvenienced.
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You know what? In this instance I'm going to be siding against Anonymous. This is not a good fight to make, especially while tech industries are saying they want to stop piracy.
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#6 Re: PIPA postponed, SOPA withdrawn!

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Taking down what amounts to the DOJ and FBI homepages with the LOIC isn't making much of a statement. As for the other download services, sure, it's a game of whackamole. But Megaupload made millions by facilitating piracy. They actively encouraged the usage of their networks for pirated material and rewarded uploaders for it. At the scale they were operating at, it was damn near equivalent to unloading warehouses of DVDs and reselling them.

When you're operating at that scale, sooner or later the big boys are going to come gunning for you. When RIAA is tossing lawsuits on the order of tens of thousands of dollars at a household where one member was downloading some albums, Anon can throw some symbolic shots. Defending Megaupload is defending a straight-up crooked multimillion-dollar company.

I still think that the whole piracy mess was brought on by RIAA and MPAA stupidity in the first place, don't get me wrong. They ripped us off on music for years, screwing both the consumers and the artists. The MPAA has fought to keep an obsolete theater-viewing-first model in place long after the market left it behind. They're both overpowered consortiums that are actively hostile to their customer base and the sooner both of them are broken the better. Time's going to take care of that. We've got a generation coming up that won't even remember what it's like to have your music selection confined to CDs with a hit single or two and twelve songs of filler. Theaters are likely to continue to take it in the teeth, but that's just the wheel of progress.
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