MA-SEN: COakley concedes. Senate now 59-41.
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#1 MA-SEN: COakley concedes. Senate now 59-41.
MSNBC just stated the concession. Reform can now be safely forgotten about happening. Watch for the collective bricks being shat by the 'centrist' dems as they flee to the Right.
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Given there seem to be republicans in democrat clothing, it hardly seem to matter anyhow. That magic 60 still gave us a watered down piece of crap.
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So much for that. I wonder whether anyone remembers the good old days when it took only 51 votes to get things done in the Senate. Of course, that was when the Republicans were in the White House.
Obama's "bilateralism" has bit him in the behind, and that's assuming he ever wanted actual reform.
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Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown won a major upset victory in Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy.
With 89 percent of the results counted, Brown had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic candidate, according to the the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent.
Brown's victory made real the once unthinkable prospect of a Republican filling the seat held by Kennedy, known as the liberal lion, for almost 47 years until his death from brain cancer in August.
Voters across Massachusetts braved winter cold and snow for an election with high stakes -- the domestic agenda of President Obama, including his priority of health care reform.
Brown's victory strips Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Senate Democrats needed all 60 votes in their caucus to pass the health care bill, and the loss of one seat imperils generating that support again for a compromise measure worked out with the House.
In a subdued concession speech, Coakley said she expected a tough assessment of her loss and lots of "Wednesday-morning quarterbacking" after losing a seat held by Democrats for more than 50 years.
"I am heartbroken at the result," Coakley said, later adding: "Although I am very disappointed, I always respect the voters' choice."
Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin said last week that certifying Tuesday's election results could take more than two weeks -- potentially enough time to allow congressional Democrats to pass a final health care bill before Brown is seated.
But multiple Democratic sources said this is unlikely. Even if House and Senate Democrats could reach a deal to meld their bills and pass them in the next couple of weeks, there would be a huge outcry from not only Republicans, but also an increasingly distrustful public if they appeared to be rushing it through.
Galvin had predicted as many as 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to Galvin's spokesman, Brian McNiff.
Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Kennedy, who made health care reform the centerpiece of his Senate career.
Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation.
However, Brown surged in the weeks preceding Tuesday's vote and led in all the final polls.
Democratic sources told CNN that Coakley called Brown on Tuesday night to concede.
In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown.
McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said.
Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the "disturbing incidents" raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team.
"Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign," Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement.
Obama has been both "surprised and frustrated" by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday.
Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say was hampered by complacency and missteps.
Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points.
"If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election," Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday.
Vicki Kennedy, the late senator's widow, called on state Democrats to turn out to save her husband's legacy.
"We need your help. We need your support. We need you to get out there and vote on Tuesday," Kennedy said. "We need you to bring your neighbors. We need you to bring your friends."
Brown, who has trumpeted his 30 years of service in the National Guard, hewed to traditional GOP themes at the end of the campaign. He promised at a rally Sunday that, if elected, he would back tax cuts and be tougher on terrorists than Coakley.
He also repeated a pledge to oppose Obama's health care reform effort.
"Massachusetts wants real reform and not this trillion-dollar Obama health care that is being forced on the American people," he said. "As the 41st [Republican] senator I will make sure that we do it better."
Forty-four percent of Massachusetts voters cited the economy and jobs as their top concern in a recent 7 News/Suffolk University poll. Thirty-eight percent mentioned health care as their top concern.
Voters more concerned with the economy were split almost evenly between the two candidates; voters more worried about health care narrowly supported Coakley.
Brown's surprising strength came in part because some independents and conservatives who have supported Democrats in the past were having second thoughts.
Democrats far outnumber Republicans in Massachusetts, but there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans combined.
Several Democratic sources say multiple Obama advisers have told the party they believed Coakley was going to lose, despite Obama's campaign appearance for Coakley on Sunday.
Facing the possibility of Coakley's defeat, Democrats were trying to figure out if they could pass health care reform without that crucial 60th Senate vote.
The seat is currently held by former Kennedy aide and longtime friend Paul Kirk, who was appointed to the seat on an interim basis.
Two Democratic sources in close contact with the White House told CNN on Monday they've urged the administration, in the event of a Brown victory, to push House Democrats to pass the Senate's health care bill as currently written. Doing so would prevent the plan from having to be taken up by the Senate again.
"I think the Senate bill clearly is better than nothing," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, said Tuesday.
A third option would be for Democrats to revisit the idea of trying to push health care through the Senate with only 51 votes -- a simple majority.
But to do that Democrats would have to use a process known as reconciliation, which presents technical and procedural issues that would delay the process for a long time. A number of Democrats are eager to put the health care debate behind them and move on to economic issues such as job creation as soon as possible this election year.
Senate Democrats could also try again to get moderate GOP Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine to vote for a compromise health reform plan. Multiple Democratic sources, however, have said they believe that is unlikely now.
So much for that. I wonder whether anyone remembers the good old days when it took only 51 votes to get things done in the Senate. Of course, that was when the Republicans were in the White House.
Obama's "bilateralism" has bit him in the behind, and that's assuming he ever wanted actual reform.
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Ok. Both parties officially need to die in a fire. The Republican party for being a bunch of assholes and morally corrupt hellions. The Democratic party for being SO FUCKING INEPT THAT WITH A SUPERMAJORITY THEY ARE UNABLE TO PASS LEGISLATION.
I'm still sort of confused as to how, although the Democrats still hold a majority they cannot pass legislation. Can anyone explain this?
I'm still sort of confused as to how, although the Democrats still hold a majority they cannot pass legislation. Can anyone explain this?
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The 'majority' is only there with a bunch of folks who are heavy Reagan supporters, bank-paid stooges, and of course, Lieberman.
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Wheulp. So much for that.
Edit: You know what... No, let me expand. I am not a liberal. I am not a big left winger. I think everyone can agree to that.
Right now my frustration knows no bounds. What was the point of 2008? What was the damn point!?! Why? Because I know that the democrats will take this opportunity to go running into full retreat!
I vote for the Republicians I get no fucking brain. I get a party that grinds my military under by demanding more and more and refusing to take care of the troops. No they demand we fight their wars with crappier and crappier equipment and no damn support or help to reintegrate when we return home! But they'll throw a fucking billion dollars at their buddy boy mercenaries! I get a party that stands on a street screaming about morality and Christianity while openly whoring itself out to massive business interests. And it's not even the kind of business that would at least have some benefit for the nation! It's the kind of business interest that bit by bit ships off all that's worthwhile in our economy off to India and FUCKING China so a handful of men can profit and it's the end of the fucking world if they so much as pay a red cent of tax for the privilege! I get a party throwing money time and effort to prevent a pair of men from being married or a women from getting an abortion but won't lift a finger to help 40 million Americans, their fellow Christians for the most part who they claim are so damn important to them stay alive or avoid ruin to pay medical bills!
I vote Democrat and I get a party with no damn Spine! I get talked to and my hand held and so many promises made you'd think I was a virgin on prom night! But at the end of the day? The minute someone puts a fight, they go litting out! Course the minute I lift the curtain on the song and dance show I find most of them are sucking the same business dick the Republican party is! You can make all the excuses in the world the end of it is that this year the Democratic hand was as strong as it's ever been, or likely ever gonna be and they fucking choked, they hemmed and the hawed. With a few notable exceptions they refused to fight. They sat still and let the other side hammer and hammer and gave up mile after mile of ground. What's the point of showing up if all you're gonna do is throw the damn game?
So now I wonder. Cause you can be damn sure that the Republicans will take one look at this and New Jersey and Virginia and decide radicalization is the answer. Moderate Republicans will be tossed. Purity elevated above all. I expected this. I said this would happen.
What I did not see was the fact that the Democrats would do nothing to present an alternative. That the Democrats would just retreat or even worse, follow the Republicans. So I ask, what was the damn point? Because sure as hell the liberals and the progressives and even the folks like me did not vote Democrat to see this shit happen. You fuckers promised us a fucking fight! Where the hell did you leave your damn balls!?!
Edit: You know what... No, let me expand. I am not a liberal. I am not a big left winger. I think everyone can agree to that.
Right now my frustration knows no bounds. What was the point of 2008? What was the damn point!?! Why? Because I know that the democrats will take this opportunity to go running into full retreat!
I vote for the Republicians I get no fucking brain. I get a party that grinds my military under by demanding more and more and refusing to take care of the troops. No they demand we fight their wars with crappier and crappier equipment and no damn support or help to reintegrate when we return home! But they'll throw a fucking billion dollars at their buddy boy mercenaries! I get a party that stands on a street screaming about morality and Christianity while openly whoring itself out to massive business interests. And it's not even the kind of business that would at least have some benefit for the nation! It's the kind of business interest that bit by bit ships off all that's worthwhile in our economy off to India and FUCKING China so a handful of men can profit and it's the end of the fucking world if they so much as pay a red cent of tax for the privilege! I get a party throwing money time and effort to prevent a pair of men from being married or a women from getting an abortion but won't lift a finger to help 40 million Americans, their fellow Christians for the most part who they claim are so damn important to them stay alive or avoid ruin to pay medical bills!
I vote Democrat and I get a party with no damn Spine! I get talked to and my hand held and so many promises made you'd think I was a virgin on prom night! But at the end of the day? The minute someone puts a fight, they go litting out! Course the minute I lift the curtain on the song and dance show I find most of them are sucking the same business dick the Republican party is! You can make all the excuses in the world the end of it is that this year the Democratic hand was as strong as it's ever been, or likely ever gonna be and they fucking choked, they hemmed and the hawed. With a few notable exceptions they refused to fight. They sat still and let the other side hammer and hammer and gave up mile after mile of ground. What's the point of showing up if all you're gonna do is throw the damn game?
So now I wonder. Cause you can be damn sure that the Republicans will take one look at this and New Jersey and Virginia and decide radicalization is the answer. Moderate Republicans will be tossed. Purity elevated above all. I expected this. I said this would happen.
What I did not see was the fact that the Democrats would do nothing to present an alternative. That the Democrats would just retreat or even worse, follow the Republicans. So I ask, what was the damn point? Because sure as hell the liberals and the progressives and even the folks like me did not vote Democrat to see this shit happen. You fuckers promised us a fucking fight! Where the hell did you leave your damn balls!?!
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In America we have two parties. One knows what it's doing but is actively malicious. The other one has good intentions but is utterly incompetent. Have fun at the voting booth.
Me, I'm not even registered. I was going to register, I really was. I used to think that the political process had purpose, that there was a point to exercising my right and duty as a citizen. I would have done it as soon as I finished moving to a new residence and got my paperwork in order. But now the complete failure of the Democrats to do anything worth mentioning made me realize there's no god dammed point. I'm not registered and I'm not planning on registering. I don't even care enough to put in the effort to keep the Republicans out of office.
So congratulations Democratic Party! You could have made a lifelong supporter, but instead you've disillusioned me to the point that I can't be bothered to show up. And this is someone who goes to the trouble of voting in European elections.
EDIT - Jon Stewart said it best, "It's not so much that the Democrats are playing checkers and the Republicans playing chess, but rather the Republicans are playing chess and the Democrats are in the nurse's office because they have glued their balls to their thighs."
Me, I'm not even registered. I was going to register, I really was. I used to think that the political process had purpose, that there was a point to exercising my right and duty as a citizen. I would have done it as soon as I finished moving to a new residence and got my paperwork in order. But now the complete failure of the Democrats to do anything worth mentioning made me realize there's no god dammed point. I'm not registered and I'm not planning on registering. I don't even care enough to put in the effort to keep the Republicans out of office.
So congratulations Democratic Party! You could have made a lifelong supporter, but instead you've disillusioned me to the point that I can't be bothered to show up. And this is someone who goes to the trouble of voting in European elections.
EDIT - Jon Stewart said it best, "It's not so much that the Democrats are playing checkers and the Republicans playing chess, but rather the Republicans are playing chess and the Democrats are in the nurse's office because they have glued their balls to their thighs."
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Right now, I'm beginning to actively hope every single Democrat in the Senate loses their seat over the next six years.
If they are a good example of where the Democratic party is as a Party right now, they need to go. Hadri mentioned something to the effect of how the Republicans are competent, greedy, selfish and actively malicious; whereas the Democrats are incompetent, greedy, selfish, spineless, and insincere.
On the other hand, the court ruling today that basically means any corporation with enough money can buy an election makes fixing the above situation...unlikely.
I would dearly love to be proven wrong, but I've pretty much become as sick of politics as I was enamored with them two years ago.
If they are a good example of where the Democratic party is as a Party right now, they need to go. Hadri mentioned something to the effect of how the Republicans are competent, greedy, selfish and actively malicious; whereas the Democrats are incompetent, greedy, selfish, spineless, and insincere.
On the other hand, the court ruling today that basically means any corporation with enough money can buy an election makes fixing the above situation...unlikely.
I would dearly love to be proven wrong, but I've pretty much become as sick of politics as I was enamored with them two years ago.
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