I guess it would be too much to ask for Kabul to secure their side of the border themselves? Oh wait...........the Afghan government control doesn't extend outside the capital. Well I guess they can go suck eggs then.Afghanistan: Kabul Tells Pakistan To Do More As Battle With Taliban Rages Near Border
By Ron Synovitz
Afghan officials are again expressing concern that Islamabad is not doing enough to stop militants from sheltering in Pakistan and crossing into Afghanistan to carry out terrorist attacks. Complaints in recent weeks are linked to a rise in Taliban and Al-Qaeda violence ahead of September's parliamentary elections. During the past three months, the violence has been focused mostly in Kabul and the provinces that border Pakistan. Today, the Afghan Interior Ministry announced that more than 100 Taliban fighters have been killed in a battle that has been raging for three days in southern Afghanistan. But Kabul complained that 150 of the militants have escaped the onslaught by crossing into Pakistan.
Prague, 23 June 2005 (RFE/RL) -- A diplomatic row between Kabul and Islamabad is continuing to heat up as Taliban fighters in southern Afghanistan experience what Afghan officials say is their bloodiest defeat in two years.
Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman Lutfullah Mashal said the bodies of 103 Taliban fighters killed since 20 June have been recovered in the mountains close to where the provinces of Kandahar, Oruzgan, and Zabol meet. He said most were killed by air strikes while trying to flee toward Pakistan or Taliban strongholds further north in Oruzgan Province. That raises the Taliban death toll in the area to more than 150 during the past week. Mashal also said that Urdu-speaking Pakistani militants are among the 16 Taliban fighters captured in the area.
The seizure of Pakistani fighters is seen by Kabul as further evidence to support its claims that militants have been flooding across the Pakistani border by the hundreds in recent months.
For years, Pakistan has denied allegations that elements within its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency were secretly behind the rise of the Taliban regime and that it continues to support Taliban fighters as a tool of Islamabad's foreign policy goals.
In the latest wave of allegations, Afghan President Hamid Karzai on 20 June told a youth conference in Kabul that they must understand the historic role Afghanistan's neighbors have played in the destruction of the country.
"Unfortunately, after the defeat of the Soviet forces, the fruit of the struggle was not delivered to the hands of our people," Karzai said. "But our people faced an even more dangerous intervention. The Soviet Union was a clear occupier. They came in tanks with red flags and the hammer and sickle -- obviously. But after the defeat of the Soviet forces, a more dangerous occupation came from another neighbor."
Karzai's chief spokesman, Jawed Ludin, said militants involved in the current battle were trained at camps in Pakistan. Ludin and Mashal both said the Taliban have been concentrating in southern Afghanistan in order to carry out attacks to disrupt September's parliamentary elections.
Ludin has demanded immediate action from Islamabad against key leaders of the ousted Taliban regime that he said are sheltering in Pakistan. He also demanded that Pakistan close off its border to prevent the routed militants from fleeing back to a safe haven in Pakistan once again.
In Islamabad, Pakistan's Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed has expressed outrage at the Afghan statements. He said that Pakistan "as a state" is not involved in any unlawful activity on Afghan soil. He said Kabul must stop making such claims and allegations, and he insisted that there are no Tailban leaders on Pakistani soil.
Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani general, said Kabul is using Pakistan as a scapegoat for its internal problems. He said the accusations from Kabul are not fair because the stability of Afghanistan is in Pakistan's best interest.
However, the complaints are not coming from Kabul alone. In one of his last interviews in Kabul before becoming the top U.S. diplomat in Iraq, former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad suggested that Islamabad is turning a blind eye toward Taliban leaders hiding in Pakistan's territory.
"It is very likely that [Taliban leader] Mullah Omar and other senior Taliban are in Pakistan," Khalilzad said. "Mr. Usmani, who is one of the Taliban leaders, [recently] spoke to Pakistani Geo TV at a time when Pakistani officials claimed they did not know where they were."
U.S. President George W. Bush reportedly is concerned about the impact of the diplomatic row between Kabul and Islamabad. Correspondents in Washington report that Bush telephoned Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf on 21 June to discuss the issue.
Karzai's office has confirmed that Musharraf called the Afghan president late on 21 June to express Pakistan's continued support in the fight against terrorism. A statement from Karzai's office says the Afghan president responded by emphasizing that Islamabad must do more.
Afghan Trade Minister Amin Arsala is the top adviser to Karzai within the government. In an exclusive interview with RFE/RL, Arsala stressed that maintaining good relations with Islamabad is still a top priority for Kabul.
"When things happen in Afghanistan and we think that they come from the other side of the border, it alarms us at times," Arsala said. "As to whether this is just an issue of the rogue elements or is it something where people are looking the other way -- my hope is, and our hope in general is, that nobody should look away. We think that proper relations between our two countries is extremely important for both of us and stability in both countries will help each other."
Afghan Defense Minister Rahim Wardak told AP this week there is no doubt that other countries in the region have their own designs in Afghanistan. Although Wardak did not single out any country, he strongly hinted that he was referring to Pakistan when he spoke of neighboring countries that are "always trying to exploit the vacuums that have been created" in Afghanistan.
Pakistan said it has done more than any other country in the fight against Al-Qaeda. With some 70,000 troops fanned out along the Afghan-Pakistan border, Islamabad boasts of having turned over 700 Al-Qaeda suspects to the United States.
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Yes, God forbid the country that hasn't been suffering civil warfare for decades now actually do something.
Kendall, afghanistan is pretty fucked up right now, they do not have the resources or stablity that Pakistan has.
Kendall, afghanistan is pretty fucked up right now, they do not have the resources or stablity that Pakistan has.
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frigid, I thin the good Corpral was agreeing with you.frigidmagi wrote:Yes, God forbid the country that hasn't been suffering civil warfare for decades now actually do something.
Kendall, afghanistan is pretty fucked up right now, they do not have the resources or stablity that Pakistan has.
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That doesn't sound like it to me.Well I guess they can go suck eggs then.
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I understand that Afghanistan is pretty fucked up. But is it too much to ask for them to divert some of their troops (I know they have them, they out number ISAF now) to guard the border?frigidmagi wrote:Yes, God forbid the country that hasn't been suffering civil warfare for decades now actually do something.
Kendall, afghanistan is pretty fucked up right now, they do not have the resources or stablity that Pakistan has.
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Crp, they can barely secure the area around the capital. Warlords are running the military in large parts of the country and they are a serious problem for the central government, despite their uneasy alliance. Where are they going to get the troops to effectively patrol a mountainous border?
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Do you have idea what that border is like? Not to mention those people still engage in blood feud! You can't deploy a solder from area X to area Y because they'll gut him in his sleep! This is in addition to the area making the badlands look like plasent place to raise a family.
These are Pakistan's people in many cases crossing the border. Pakistan is the nation with enough resources and equipment to look like a first world nation compared to Afghanistan. It's Pakistan's responsiblity to stop them if they want to be a serious ally.
This is like demanding a man in wheelchair climb the stairs on his own.
These are Pakistan's people in many cases crossing the border. Pakistan is the nation with enough resources and equipment to look like a first world nation compared to Afghanistan. It's Pakistan's responsiblity to stop them if they want to be a serious ally.
This is like demanding a man in wheelchair climb the stairs on his own.
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Actually the Warlords effectively run Afghanistan the onlt place where the central government has any control is Kabul. What I'm suggesting is that some of Afghanistans Army (whatever their called) be deployed along the border with Pakistan, make the troops from that area if you can't trust tribal fueds to get in the way. But you can't expect Pakistan to pick up all the slack on this. Of course Karzai will need the warlords permission for this and he may not get it anyways.Cynical Cat wrote:Crp, they can barely secure the area around the capital. Warlords are running the military in large parts of the country and they are a serious problem for the central government, despite their uneasy alliance. Where are they going to get the troops to effectively patrol a mountainous border?
I just think it's time that Afghanistan started doing things for themselves when possible.
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The key word is when possible. It's not possible yet.I just think it's time that Afghanistan started doing things for themselves when possible.
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Afghanistan has been fucked forever, from the days of the Great Game onward. If things can be repaired there... if, it won't come in our lifetime. The best we can hope for is a modicum of armed stability and them not hosting training camps for folks who aspire to run planes into our buildings.
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You know I was just reading that article again and it seems like the Pakistani Intel services are smuggling fighters over the border. So if thats the case it may not matter how many troops Pakistan or Afghanistan has on the border.frigidmagi wrote:The key word is when possible. It's not possible yet.I just think it's time that Afghanistan started doing things for themselves when possible.